Author Topic: Greatest military commanders (Read 2191 times)

SLO · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2005, 08:21:51 AM »

Furballz sucks...

greatest...

Alexander the Great of Macedon, never lost a battle...

and yes I know of your dumb 1600 A.D. rule

in that case try the Desert Rat, Rommel, a leader who actually lead in combat and not a the rear...

Patton as well was pretty good...

but none made others scared as did Napoleon...

Jackal1 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2005, 08:26:14 AM »

Bull Simons

# Distinguished Service Cross

# Silver Star

# Legion of Merit, 4th Oak Leaf Cluster

# Bronze Star

# Meritorious Service Medal

# Air Medal

# Army Commendation

# Purple Heart

# American Defense Service Medal w/bronze service star

# American Campaign Medal (Japan)

# Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal

# WWII Victory Medal

# American Occupation Medal

# National Defense Medal w/Oak Leave Cluster

# Armed Forces Expeditionary medal (2d Award) (Korea)

# Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal (Laos)

# Viet Nam Service Medal

# Armed Forces Reserve Medal w/10 years service

# Armed Reserve Components Achievement Medal

# Vietnam Campaign Medal w/3 bronze service stars

# CIB, 2d award

# Master Parachute Badge

# Philippine Republic Presidential Unit Citation

# Philippine Liberation Ribbon

# Philippine Independence Ribbon

# Vietnam Campaign Ribbon

# Meritorious Unit Commendation

Assignments
# 42 – 44 98th Field Artillery Bn

# 44 – 46 6th Ranger Bn (98th became the 6th Ranger Bn)

# 46 – 51 Out of service

# 51 – 54 Amphibious and Jungle Training Camp,Ranger Training Camp, FT Benning, GA

# 54 – 57 US Army Assistance Advisory Group, Ankara, Turkey

# 58 – 59 77th SFG(A)

# 59 – 61 7th SFG(A) (Operation Hotfoot and White Star Mobile Training Team)

# 62 – 63 JFK Center for Special Warfare Center

# 63 – 65 8th SFG(A)

# 65 – 66 SOG, MACV, Republic of Viet Nam

# 66 – 68 XVIII Airborne Corps and Fort Bragg

# 1969 Corps, Camp Red Cloud, Korea

# 1970 Overall Ground Force Commander, Joint Contingency Task Force, Operation Ivory Coast

# 1970 - 1971 XVIII Airborne Corps and Fort Bragg

# Total Time in Service: 32 years

# Total Active Service: 24 years

# Total Foreign Service: 8 years (Turkey, USARPAC,USARCARIB, RVN, Korea)

Plus..he had the guts and will to go back for those left behind when our government wouldn`t.
Plus... he played an intricate part in training and operations for the L`il, big eared fellow from Texas to get our people out of Iran when, once again, our government wouldn`t.

AmRaaM · « **Reply #17 on:** July 09, 2005, 08:29:39 AM »

Ripsnort

oh! u mean in the real world ?

I notice Napolean and a few other losers were picked, Why?
Losers are not great leaders, its just that simple. Winners ARE.

Nakita Kruschev ? any idiot can send men and women to slaughter on a wholesale level, it wasnt the Russian army that defeated the Germans, it was the russian winter and army with about 60% of it due to the winter.

"Too much social engineering in the world has many blinded by stupidity." Brady Y , SpecOp Warfare Center Coronado,Ca, RIP "Ivan 6"3/24/05

Eisenhower
Patton
George Washington
US Grant

And my all time Favorite, Rudy from 'Survivor'

oboe · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2005, 08:41:16 AM »

I'd have followed Jimmy Doolittle anywhere.

Besides having graduate degrees in Aeronautical Engineering, he was personally bold and brave (air racing career, the Doolittle Raid). He also changed the tactics of the 8th AF fighter command that freed them to pursue and destroy the Luftwaffe.

Hard to argue against Stonewall Jackson, Napoleon, Rommel and Geo Washington though. Just thought Doolittle deserved mention.

AWMac · « **Reply #19 on:** July 09, 2005, 08:58:36 AM »

My loyalty remains within Family Blood.

Bavarian General Wrede

Karl Philipp Freiherr von Wrede

My Blood Line.

Hanau

Napoleon's First Defeat on French Soil.

Wrede's Since 1202.

Yes Napoleon was a looser...Let others eat Crow.

Frederick Wrede, Jr.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #20 on:** July 09, 2005, 09:21:15 AM »

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Originally posted by AmRaaM
Ripsnort

oh! u mean in the real world ?

I notice Napolean and a few other losers were picked, Why?
Losers are not great leaders, its just that simple. Winners ARE.

Too much social engineering in the world has many blinded by stupidity.

Eisenhower
Patton
George Washington
US Grant

And my all time Favorite, Rudy from 'Survivor'

Napoleon a looser? such a looser his methods and tactics were copied untill and including the American Civil war?

In the end Napoleoon lost but I wouldnt call him a looser.
He was in fact a great military commander.

Now Washington on the other hand was a great leader. but hardly what anyone in their right mind could call a Great military commander.
]By Conrast British General William Howe was easily the more capable of the two.
He was at best adequit. He won some. he lost some. and he retreated some.
In fact some of his subordinates were probably more capable from purely a military standpoint.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #21 on:** July 09, 2005, 09:24:10 AM »

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Originally posted by SMIDSY
oh man! i cant believe i forgot about CH. completely fearless in the face of the enemy. Red Cloud was a good'n too.

LOL might as well mention Cheif Joseph also.
While caught up with at the end. His accomplishments against vastly superiour forces was nothing short of astounding

Maverick · « **Reply #22 on:** July 09, 2005, 09:46:51 AM »

I'm going to add my $.02 for Napoleon as well for the early era.

Latter era
Billy Mitchell saw the beginnings of airpower for what it was.

Curtis Lemay for realizing results dictate tactics, not the other way around.

GW Patton AND Rommel as both saw the proper implememtation of armored warfare.

Dwight E, not because he was a brilliant tactician or even strategist but because he was the right man for the job and blended the forces so well to include the manipulating and interferring politicos as well.

I also agree with "Bull" Simmons. Just found out about him at Ft. Bragg. Very interesting and dynamic individual.

Gotta nominate Schwartzkopf as well for the way he was able to work with such disparate forces in such a smooth way. Short campaign I know but hell of a task none the less.

There are many others but these are a smattering of some of the very best IMO.

MrBill · « **Reply #23 on:** July 09, 2005, 09:48:59 AM »

Nathan Bedford Forrest

His Battle of Brice's Cross Roads has been called the "perfect" battle, and his campaigns were studied closely, before World War II, by the German field marshal, Erwin Rommel.

One of the military geniuses of American history,

On the Red Men
Geronimo gave em fits also.

Bodhi · « **Reply #24 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:08:17 PM »

Brigadier General Dr. Franz Bake.

Never lost a battle.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #25 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:44:04 PM »

Napoleon
Patton
Rommel

Rafe35 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:59:47 PM »

Hap Arnold
Billy Mitchell
Jimmy Doolittle
Curtiss E. Lemay
Carl Spaatz
Ira C. Eaker
Douglas MacArthur

and Chesty Puller.

1K3 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 09, 2005, 02:14:03 PM »

I have doubts wheter to put G. K. Zhukhov (Red Army) and G. S. Grant (Union Army) in the top 5, 10. These commanders had nothing special except overwhelm the enemy with HUGE ###s. Imo Grant and Zhukhov don't care how many soldiers die in the battlefiled; their concern is to reload their armies with more manpower and weapons;)

Octavius · « **Reply #28 on:** July 09, 2005, 02:17:52 PM »

Ender Wiggen

Connection · « **Reply #29 on:** July 09, 2005, 06:56:50 PM »

General Burnside of the union
he had a nice hairdo