Author Topic: F6f? (Read 1805 times)

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #15 on:** July 10, 2005, 05:34:20 PM »

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Originally posted by OOZ662
Both of the LA7 loadouts are worth perking, even at a low level. The plane by itself is superior to any other in the game.

Hardly...the only thing the La7 can do well is run. There are other planes that are far more capable than the La7. It is not the wonder uber plane you so fear.

And to get back on track...the only reason why I don't see ammo loadout being added to the F6F is that is only used by specialized units. In this case, those F6F's dedicated to the night-fighter role.

ack-ack

killnu · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2005, 06:36:08 PM »

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to the F6F is that is only used by specialized units

so? not to be short, but so what? does that mean it is not eligible for game? if so, then i didnt know that and that was why i asked;) now i know...if that is the answer...

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2005, 07:10:53 PM »

Because you probably have less than a hundred planes that had this ammo loadout option in real life.

Now the majority of the pilots in the MA being what they are, do you really think that this wouldn't be the predominate F6F they fly?

ack-ack

killnu · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2005, 09:04:22 PM »

once again i refer back to 3 cannon la7s...

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2005, 09:45:41 PM »

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I think the 37mm armed IL2 should be in the game. We have no really effective tank busters as of now. Unless you bomb them, but that doesn't always work either.

You've obviously never flown the Hurri 2d. I can land anywhere from 3-8 kills in it. (Assuming the GV nerds don't stop coming). And that's not M16's. That's Osties, panzers, and sometimes tigers.

SMIDSY · « **Reply #20 on:** July 11, 2005, 08:49:32 AM »

killin, the lala already has cannon, but if you add a cannon option to the hellcat everyone will only use that option. we might as well put in the p61 while we are at it. HTC has more important things to make than an option that will be overused to the point of gross historical inacuracy.

Kweassa · « **Reply #21 on:** July 11, 2005, 09:22:46 AM »

Well, if its any defense for the La-7, the 3-cannon version was rare indeed, but only because the introduction of the advanced, B-20 cannons were late. After 1945 the 3-cannon version was to be considered a new standard. All La-7s after that time would be equipped with 3 cannons.

Much simularly, the Bf109s armed with MK108 30mms, were also part of a standard armament option after late 1944. In case of the Fw190A-8s, the MK108 armament seems a bit more pronounced as a specialized "buff hunter" variant, but these Sturmbock conversions were themselves fairly numerous.

With the P-38 and P-47, people in the MA usually fly with the increased ammo option, and IIRC, this is the "extra ammo" option. The basic option would be to fly with the smaller ammo load, but for both those planes, increased ammo was also a part of a standard armament loadout.

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I'm not sure about the Hellcat, but my impression is that it's not anywhere near something to be considered a "standard armament option"... it was available only for night fighters, is it not?

killnu · « **Reply #22 on:** July 11, 2005, 10:35:26 AM »

http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/F6F.htm

here is link saying some "F6F-5 and F6F-5N" used 20mm, so 5N is nightfighter? and -5?

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The F6F-5N was the definitive night-fighting version of the Hellcat, over 1500 of these built by Grumman.

the above quote was from this link
http://www.acepilots.com/planes/f6f_hellcat.html

"During 1944 deliveries began of a new Hellcat version, the F6F-5, with a number of detail refinements and improvements. The R-2800-IOW engine (with water injection) was retained, but the cowling was modified, and the windshield was also improved. Provision was made for 2,000 lb of bombs under the centre section and six rockets under the outer wings, and 20 mm cannon usually replaced the inner machine guns on this model. Production of this version totalled 6,436, plus 1,189 F6F-5Ns with APS-6 in the pod on the starboard wing. The Royal Navy received 252 F6F-3s and 930 F6F-5s which it operated as Hellcat I and Hellcat II respectively."

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/WWII/hellcat/helcat_info/hellcat_info.htm

oops, just looked at plane page, we do have F6F-5...must be so everyone who flies F6F doesnt use the cannon version.

killnu · « **Reply #23 on:** July 11, 2005, 11:26:01 AM »

ok, ive been googling like mad to find actual numbers of F6f-5s produced with 20mm and can find an acutaul numerical value...i get "some" and "many" but no numbers...anybody have a link that has that info?

AdmRose · « **Reply #24 on:** July 11, 2005, 12:14:54 PM »

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Originally posted by killnu
ok, ive been googling like mad to find actual numbers of F6f-5s produced with 20mm and can find an acutaul numerical value...i get "some" and "many" but no numbers...anybody have a link that has that info?

F6F - 12,275 built
F6F-5 - 7,870 built
F6F-5N - 1,434 built

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"On April 4, 1944, the first F6F-5 varient of the Hellcat took to the air. This was the major production varient, with 7,870 being built, of which 932 were given to the British Navy. It differed from the previous version above all in its engine (a Pratt & Whitney R-2800-10W with water injection to increase power in the case of emergency) and in its heavier armament, which eventually included a maximum bomb load of 2,002 lbs (907 kg). A series of night fighters (F6F-5N) were derived from this version too, with 1,434 being built in all. Production ceased on November 16, 1945."

Source: Complete book of World War II Combat Aircraft, p. 310

killnu · « **Reply #25 on:** July 11, 2005, 01:23:58 PM »

ive got that much, looking for the number of F6F-5's that had 20mm specifically. ty tho.

agent 009 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 11, 2005, 02:20:43 PM »

FGF had 85 mph stall I have read. True? FW 190 had 70 mph stall according to Eric Brown. True?

dedalos · « **Reply #27 on:** July 11, 2005, 03:12:45 PM »

Lets have it. Don't perk it, but have it only available at night.

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Rafe35 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 11, 2005, 03:17:04 PM »

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Originally posted by agent 009
FGF had 85 mph stall I have read. True? FW 190 had 70 mph stall according to Eric Brown. True?

FGF? You mean F6F?

agent 009 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 11, 2005, 04:30:35 PM »

Yes, F6F. Must be gettin old. Sakai thought it was best US plane.