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« on: July 11, 2005, 11:39:28 AM »
Title says it all, any suggestions for a first timer?

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2005, 11:56:29 AM »
well..is it for home use?..or out walking?

At Home..SHOTGUN..Short Barrel..18"..make it a pump..FOR NO FAIL LOADING..and that bueatiful sound of the slide..cocking

if you want a Concealed wepaon for outside the house..lot of choices..

MOST REALIBALE>.NEVER FAIL TO LOAD...is a revolver

many many companies make both..so if you want to get paticualr we can go into more detail

but pump shotgun..and revolver..probly the safest fail safe firearms in the WORLD

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2005, 12:01:21 PM »
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..and that bueatiful sound of the slide..cocking

 


We are taught in our Naval Security school..that sound is the most effective deterrent aginst armed assailants.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2005, 12:20:49 PM »
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well..is it for home use?..or out walking?

At Home..SHOTGUN..Short Barrel..18"..make it a pump..FOR NO FAIL LOADING..and that bueatiful sound of the slide..cocking

if you want a Concealed wepaon for outside the house..lot of choices..

MOST REALIBALE>.NEVER FAIL TO LOAD...is a revolver

many many companies make both..so if you want to get paticualr we can go into more detail

but pump shotgun..and revolver..probly the safest fail safe firearms in the WORLD


Out walking...I was thinking something in the .45 area, but you've piqued my interest in the revolver idea. (With my luck, an auto would fail on me at the moment of truth.) Any suggestions on a revolver?

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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2005, 12:32:50 PM »
First timer?

Revolver.

38spl or 357mag.

You can get 357mad and shoot 38's out of it for target practice.

Best safty is in your head. But a revolver is and has always been the best way to go for the first timer.

I started off carrying a full size 1911 45acp. Its bigger and heavier than most. You can get compact 1911 style pistols to carry which I have. But for some reason I've gotten use to carrying a full size 1911. I've been around guns all my life, so when I turned 21, I wasnt a first timer to guns, only to carrying them. If I was a first timer though, I would go with a revolver... No question about it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2005, 12:38:02 PM »
Where do you live that you feel that you have to arm yourself before going outside?
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2005, 12:42:54 PM »
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Where do you live that you feel that you have to arm yourself before going outside?


Somewhere in the US is my guess. :D

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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2005, 12:46:30 PM »
I'd like to play devils advocate.  

For guard duty, something like a 45 would be perfect, especially since you're at a location that is considered a target for attack.

For just 'walking around', something smaller might be more appropriate.  My logic for this is that the bigger the gun, the more likely you are to leave it behind when carrying it is a 'hassle'.  For example, if you're wearing shorts and a t-shirt and out for a stroll, you might decide 'This is kinda big...   I'd feel kinda awkward with this today, I'll leave it off' or "I just want to go jogging, I don't want this huge this bouncing around, I'll leave it here".

Something that you can carry casually, however, like a .22 (which, despite snorts around the BBS, is quite lethal.  While it might not stop a charging truck, it should be more then adequete for 99% of thugs) might be better.

If I do a cost/benefit comparison, here's the chart I come up with:

.45
Pro
Stops anything/anyone
Con
Takes longer to aim
Weighs a lot, significant size

.22
Pro
Small, easy to conceal
Con
Not as much 'stopping power'

Now I look at the probable spread of who I'm protecting myself against.  I've never seen the oft-described "300lb ex-football player, hopped up on PCP and charging" character that most heavy caliber folks cite.  I'm not a police officer, and I don't intend to become a vigilante and go knock down doors at crack houses.

Next, it's very unlikely I'll ever need to use my gun in self protection, but I realize that and have decided that I'd rather 'have it and not need it then need it and not have it'.

Finally, I'm going to figure that, based on the above, in the unlikely event I DO need the pistol to protect myself, it's 95%+ certain that a .22 will be effective to the threat.

Weigh that against having the pistol on my person at all times instead of selectively, and I think the math shows that for me, a small caliber concealed pistol is more likely to save my life then a .45.  It's not as powerful, but it's lethal and more likely to be with me when I need help, and that counts a lot in my book.

Police?  Military?  Guards?  The equations work out very differently for them.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2005, 12:57:14 PM »
Ruger .357 Magnum revolver. A  2" barrel concealed carry model would be an SP101, it is a 5 shot. If you want a 4" barrel, get a Security Six or something of that nature. I carried 125 jacketed hollow point +P in my service weapon.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2005, 01:19:50 PM »
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well..is it for home use?..or out walking?
LOL - out walking - and you have to carry a gun??? :lol sad - but funny.

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2005, 01:30:04 PM »
jeeze beetle....your sense of humor is oblique to me.  sad but funny?

large aggressive dogs are reason enough for me to carry a pistol on my walks, JIC.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2005, 01:37:29 PM »
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Where do you live that you feel that you have to arm yourself before going outside?


Reading, Pennsylvania

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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2005, 01:38:51 PM »
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Where do you live that you feel that you have to arm yourself before going outside?


He's a "first timer"...cut him some slack.  

"Outside" is quite scary.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2005, 02:03:47 PM »
just keep this in mind.... a .22 is often less than lethal

scarey thing about .22's tho, is they tend to bounce around off bones, so can really make a mess.

that being said .. any bullet will stop most people with one shot.

.22's arn't loud.

loud can help.

lethal can be a mistake, are you really looking to kill someone? no. (at least I hope not)
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haveing someone close to me, who got shot point blank in the back with a .22 and had it lukily bounce of his shoulder blade, and exit under his chin, missing any vitals.

I'd say .22 for lack of leathlity,  but tho's bullets do tend to bounce around off bones, which can make things worse in some cases.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2005, 02:18:24 PM »
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Reading, Pennsylvania


Living just outside Reading, in Fleetwood I can sympathize with him wanting to carry.

I visited the Walmart on 5th street in Reading last week and, while I'm not usually nervous anywhere, that place made me nervous.
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