Author Topic: Now their Outsourceing....Insourceing (Read 811 times)

weaselsan · « **on:** July 11, 2005, 05:00:07 PM »

OH Canada.....!!!!!
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20050710-115332-2183r.htm

Staga · « **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2005, 05:57:37 PM »

Why shouldn't companies hire cheaper labour from abroad? They have a responsibilities to their stock holders and if Chinese worker is cheaper for the company they should be allowed to use them.

Are those oil-rigs in US soil? If yes then shouldn't your laws about minimum wages (you have those?) guarantee that those chinese workers would cost as much to the company as American workers?

weaselsan · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2005, 06:13:15 PM »

Hmmmm....hold that thought. We could insource a few million Chinese, Pakistanese and Indonesians and can everybody that made more than minimum wage. Stockholders would clean house on GM stock alone. Of course the Social Security system would be in serious trouble since foreign workers wouldn't pay SS taxes. But then again the big corp. would make out like bandits. They wouldn't either.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2005, 06:14:43 PM »

outsourcing to other countries is outsourcing.
But wouldnt outsourcing to a country to use its workers in this country be considered racial discrimiination?

weaselsan · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2005, 06:23:20 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
outsourcing to other countries is outsourcing.
But wouldnt outsourcing to a country to use its workers in this country be considered racial discrimiination?

I think your a little confused. Outsourceing is outsourceing, but where talking about insourceing outsourceing. Instead of importing cheap goods made by slave err. cheap labor. We insource the slave err cheap labor directly to the job site. Factory... Mc Donalds like that. We save a fortune in shipping costs.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2005, 08:31:09 PM »

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Originally posted by weaselsan
I think your a little confused. Outsourceing is outsourceing, but where talking about insourceing outsourceing. Instead of importing cheap goods made by slave err. cheap labor. We insource the slave err cheap labor directly to the job site. Factory... Mc Donalds like that. We save a fortune in shipping costs.

so we insource the Chineese. Kinda like Mexicans? Only they would be legal, Pay income taxes etc etc?

Pongo · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2005, 08:36:02 PM »

Outsourcing is really neat when you do it with companies from other countries that charge far more then the local companies or the internal people that had been doing the job..

FiLtH · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2005, 11:39:52 PM »

Id rather see a bunch of my fellow Americans get off their dead rear ends and get a job. Even if its below them.

Fishu · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2005, 12:00:21 AM »

Creating jobs for americans is only a matter of accepting the higher prices created by bigger labor expenses.
However nobody is ready to do it.

Staga · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2005, 12:31:00 AM »

You could also increase your minimum wages but are you willing to do it?

We have similar situation in Finland; Russians and Estonians are willing to work with lower pay than Finns but minimum wages make them as expensive as hiring a Finn except that foreigners wont have to pay income taxes in first 6 months.
So they come for 6 months, leave and come again later.
Can't blame them but the taxation laws.

cpxxx · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2005, 01:54:08 AM »

There was a big scandal here when a construction company bid for road building contracts. Then they hired a bunch of Turkish construction workers, housed them in barracks and paid them about 2 or 3 Euro an hour.
The minimum wage here is about 7.8 Euro an hour. Construction workers get about twice that. The unions found out and organized the Turks until they got the money they were owed.
Also some Filipino women were found to be working for a passenger ferry company for 2 Euros an hour, working 12 hour days with one day off a month.

Again that was stopped. This is where trade unions come in useful.

Once they start bringing in the Chinese, soon the only people working in that business will be Chinese. Goodbye good American jobs.

J_A_B · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2005, 02:20:32 AM »

"Creating jobs for americans is only a matter of accepting the higher prices created by bigger labor expenses. "

Then why hasn't my phone bill gotten any cheaper after my phone company outsourced so much of its staff to India? After all, supposedly the labor savings would be passed on to the consumer in the form of lower prices, right?

J_A_B

Fishu · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2005, 02:54:12 AM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
Then why hasn't my phone bill gotten any cheaper after my phone company outsourced so much of its staff to India? After all, supposedly the labor savings would be passed on to the consumer in the form of lower prices, right?

You can't make such conclusions based on a single company.
The only way you would see a difference in the price, would be that all competition would be using american labor, as well as the subcontractors.
All that would drive up the prices real good.
However quite likely their hardware is made in asia, which saves alot money.
Hard to find any computers anymore, which would be mostly created in the west (aka pricey countries).
Few parts might be made in the west and assembled, but the core stuff is made in asia, probably by an american company whos main production lines are in asia (or partners/subcontractors).

Therefore outsourcing the support doesn't affect much in the long list of "outsourcing".
The natural inflation most likely just manages to keep the prices at usual levels.
Then again it is also nice to make big profits.. wohoo capitalism, screw the customers as long as they keep paying.

Staga · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2005, 02:55:18 AM »

Why? Do you think your phone company owes you something?
They are responsible to their stock holders and not to their customers; they excist just to make money to the owners and decisions they make are meant to increase the income; not to lower your payments.

J_A_B · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2005, 03:42:09 AM »

"wohoo capitalism, screw the customers as long as they keep paying."

That about sums it up actually. Unrestricted capitalism = rampant greed. America of all places should have learned its lesson about trusting Big Business back in the late 1800's. I'm no communist, but I see right through Laissez-faire economics, too. Oh wait, "free-trade" and the "global economy" are the buzzwords THIS time around. Big Business needs strong limits, just like the Government does.

J_A_B