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Offline DiabloTX

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« on: July 12, 2005, 11:25:42 PM »
While taking a smoke break at work today my ears heard something unlike the usual F-16's taking off from Ellington Field.  I looked up and saw not one, not two, but three F-4 Phantoms taking off.  Haven't seen that here in well over 20 years.  They were all grey with the tail and elevators painted red.  Any idea what there were?  Man that was a sight and  it sounded so cool...
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2005, 11:33:59 PM »
I didn't know any Phantoms were still in service. Maybe they were foreign or part of a museum.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2005, 11:39:09 PM »
Tips painted red or orange?

If it looked like this, it's a QF-4 target.

 
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The only Phantoms I know of that are still in service are all targets.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2005, 11:43:14 PM »
shudders ... darn that brings back some long lost brain cells ....

used to see them things daily .:aok
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2005, 11:45:32 PM »
So sad.  I'll take that F-4 off your hands, Mr. Air Force, and I'll convert, oh, I dunno, a BD-4 or some sort of fast GA plane into a target for you.
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Offline Wolfala

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2005, 12:03:14 AM »
QF-4 - Target drones.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2005, 12:06:31 AM »
Huston, hunh? Red Tails...

What're the astronauts chaufflering themselves about in these days?
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2005, 12:07:59 AM »
yup they were either target drones or on their way to be converted into said drones.  I've seen them here a few times.

loud suckers!
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2005, 12:49:22 AM »
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QF-4 - Target drones.


wouldnt it make more sence to have somemthing more modern then an outdated aircraft for targets?

I mean if your going to be going up against the likes of say spitfires you sure woudlnt want ot use goons as practice.
you would want to go up against something that is the near equivalent of a spitfire no?
 
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2005, 01:13:27 AM »
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wouldnt it make more sence to have somemthing more modern then an outdated aircraft for targets?

I mean if your going to be going up against the likes of say spitfires you sure woudlnt want ot use goons as practice.
you would want to go up against something that is the near equivalent of a spitfire no?
 
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No crap, there are a fair amount of F/A 18's that are time lifed... I say use them.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2005, 01:22:15 AM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
wouldnt it make more sence to have somemthing more modern then an outdated aircraft for targets?

I mean if your going to be going up against the likes of say spitfires you sure woudlnt want ot use goons as practice.
you would want to go up against something that is the near equivalent of a spitfire no?
 
If I am in err please enlighten me


They use the F4 because its cheap - we got a lot of them, and they load the **** out of them with telemetry scoring gear. Remember, scoring is done with rounds that don't explode, so it only needs to pass near the drone inorder to score as a hit. They want to reuse the drones - and the F4 is a robust airframe that if hit, survives more often then not.

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2005, 01:24:43 AM »
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Tips painted red or orange?

The only Phantoms I know of that are still in service are all targets.


:(

That just plain sucks.  One of the prettiest jets they ever made, and they turned them into target drones???  Thats just wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2005, 01:35:27 AM »
Its the group from Tyndall.  Whenever they get a storm the F-4s come here to ellington.  During Ivan it was a blast to taxi out between them.  

I believe they have 3-4 painted in normal line paint schemes that they are taking around to airshows this year for heritage flights.

Also dont forget the collings foundation F-4 is based out of ellington along with their TA-4, huey, B-25 and C-1 Trader.
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2005, 01:35:48 AM »
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They use the F4 because its cheap - we got a lot of them, and they load the **** out of them with telemetry scoring gear. Remember, scoring is done with rounds that don't explode, so it only needs to pass near the drone inorder to score as a hit. They want to reuse the drones - and the F4 is a robust airframe that if hit, survives more often then not.

Wolf


well thats wonderful. But I just dont see how that helps you train for something that you may go against that is far superiour.

Unless we're planning on going to war against a country that still uses F4s
If I were a pilot and if the most dangerous opponent I might face was for example  a mig 1.44 MFF I sure as hell would want to be practicing  against something very very similar and not a relic my potential enemy could easily beat.

If I am expected to be able to compete against the best any enemy has to offer I would damn well want to practice against the best the enemy has to offer or at the very least something very very very close
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2005, 01:42:29 AM »
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well thats wonderful. But I just dont see how that helps you train for something that you may go against that is far superiour.

Unless we're planning on going to war against a country that still uses F4s
If I were a pilot and if the most dangerous opponent I might face was for example  a mig 1.44 MFF I sure as hell would want to be practicing  against something very very similar and not a relic my potential enemy could easily beat.

If I am expected to be able to compete against the best any enemy has to offer I would damn well want to practice against the best the enemy has to offer or at the very least something very very very close


     Do you happen to have a price for frontline russian aircraft?
And are you willing to pony up the tax dollars to buy one so it
can be destroyed?  

     As sad as it makes me to watch Phantoms get wacked, it's
surely more cost effective and a better "death" than getting
parted out and abandoned in a boneyard somewhere.
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