question for the British

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I've seen all the reports of the Muslim community speaking out about fearing a backlash, and demanding protection from a backlash. I just read a report about a Pakistani being beaten to death by some juveniles. It may indeed have been an anti Muslim hate crime.

What I HAVE NOT READ is any reports of the Muslim community renouncing/denouncing those responsible, and turning in anyone they know who might have been involved.

So, what HAS the British Muslim community been saying and doing in Britain, besides demanding protection and claiming it's all a plot by Bush, Blair, the CIA, and MI6?

[Skydancer]

The leaders of the faith stood with the leaders of all the others and denounced the actions of those they called criminals.

At the grass roots level not a lot. The day after a computer engineer at my office base came to install our network and told me it was all a MOSSAD plot and there was no way Muslims could have done it. This is a guy in his 30's quite sound in many ways pleasent not a radical nutcase but Muslim. Boy did he piss me off.

Its that total denial that anyone of his faith could actualy do such a thing. Total  bollox. The problem is that these guys appear to want to blame everyone else rather than face up to the reality that there are nutters in any community  theirs  included.

[Swoop]

I hate to say I told ya so......

Um.....Actually, no I don't.  Told ya so.

[Furball]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts

What I HAVE NOT READ is any reports of the Muslim community renouncing/denouncing those responsible, and turning in anyone they know who might have been involved.

So, what HAS the British Muslim community been saying and doing in Britain, besides demanding protection and claiming it's all a plot by Bush, Blair, the CIA, and MI6?

I think this is what you are looking for: -

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13386346,00.html

"We expressed to the Prime Minister that all the communities, the Muslim communities, are in deep shock.

"We are deeply shocked that these are home-grown bombers, and the vast majority of the Muslim community condemn these barbaric attacks.

"We told the Prime Minister that the community will be hoping to extend full co-operation to find the mastermind behind these attacks.

"The Prime Minister endorsed that support from the moderate and liberal Muslims and said we had to deal with it together."

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Yeah, I hadn't found anything like that yet, but I hadn't been looking too long.

Will be interesting to see if there is action on the part of the community, or only empty rhetoric.

They claim the acts are the work of the minority. If so, then the majority should use whatever means necessary to remove that minority from its midst.

[rabbidrabbit]

I'd like to place one vote for empty rhetoric please.

[cpxxx]

I have feeling that like Skydancer's Engineer there will be mostly denial. The standard response is that everything is a Mossad plot and in any case "Even though their methods are wrong. The cause is just". Ambivalence.

When the IRA were bombing trains in London in the Eighties. We had some of the same mentality. It infuriated me. In part because half my family lived in London at the time and travelled on those trains and in part because it was plain wrong.

What I think will happen is that quietly, moderate British Muslims will begin to call the police and tip them off when they hear of someone shooting his mouth off or acting strangely. Quite simply, the moderates know that their lives will become intolerable if they shelter the extremists. They have nowhere to go after all for the most part. In the end, extremism will mostly damage their own community.
I'm quite sure that one or two of the killers friends and acquaintences noticed a change in their behaviour and attitudes which they now recognise in hindsight. Next time they see it. They may pick up phone and make that call.

British tolerance only goes so far. Ask any Irishman who lived and worked in England during the IRA's terror campaign. It wasn't very common but at times you could be made to feel very uncomfortable particularly after some outrage. Even if you were anti IRA like me. You would feel a degree of guilt.  

Comments like bombing Dublin in revenge or rounding up all the Irish and sending them home were common at the time. Similar comments in relation to Muslims are probably been made right now. I've seen some on this forum.

In fact it's implicit in Virgil Hilts first post. Admittedly Virgil is not British.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by cpxxx

In fact it's implicit in Virgil Hilts first post. Admittedly Virgil is not British.

I don't believe Virgil is espousing that we round up all the muslims. More that we all pay attention to what is being said and preached in the mosques and in these communities.

I am sorry if I offend some Civil-Libertatians but it is long past time that we infiltrated these "communities" and find the bad guys.

These young men probably would not have done what they did if it had not been for some of the "leadership" of their communities.

[Chortle]

I think banning US personnel stationed here from traveling to London after last thursdays bombings must count as the worst public relations gaffe since Kennedy senior said Hitler was 'ok'.

Times like this reminds me we dont need anybody.

[Skydancer]

Quite possibly true.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

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[cpxxx]

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[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts Yeah, I hadn't found anything like that yet, but I hadn't been looking too long.

Will be interesting to see if there is action on the part of the community, or only empty rhetoric.

They claim the acts are the work of the minority. If so, then the majority should use whatever means necessary to remove that minority from its midst.

I think this sentence is what cpxxx might be talking about.  I could be wrong though Virgil.

Karaya

[lada]

Originally posted by Chortle
I think banning US personnel stationed here from traveling to London after last thursdays bombings must count as the worst public relations gaffe since Kennedy senior said Hitler was 'ok'.

Times like this reminds me we dont need anybody.

Hey sutch tensions are here for last 5 years.
But its not quite about banning, but about Visa restrictions. A lot of people would like to see Visa in US passports because most of US citizens overhere cause troubles. They are not reliable in payments, they often break contracts w/o proper ending and so on.

Btw Hitler was fine, when he were building highways all around Germany

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
I think this sentence is what cpxxx might be talking about.  I could be wrong though Virgil.

Karaya

No, actually, he claimed it to be in my FIRST post.

Originally posted by cpxxx
Comments like bombing Dublin in revenge or rounding up all the Irish and sending them home were common at the time. Similar comments in relation to Muslims are probably been made right now. I've seen some on this forum.

In fact it's implicit in Virgil Hilts first post. Admittedly Virgil is not British.

He made a baseless rash assumption without any real knowledge of what he was talking about.

Take the following IN CONTEXT:

Will be interesting to see if there is action on the part of the community, or only empty rhetoric.

They claim the acts are the work of the minority. If so, then the majority should use whatever means necessary to remove that minority from its midst.

I suppose I should have specifically stated the MUSLIM community and the Muslim majority. The jist of the idea was that the Muslim community MUST take responsibility for those that they allow in their community and allow to operate terrorist cells in said community. For the Muslims to cry out about "backlash" and "Islamophobic acts" while allowing those who commit terrorist acts to live and operate openly in their community is beyond ridiculous. It can also no longer be tolerated. If they cannot or will not police their community themselves, then they should expect to be treated the same as the lawless psychopaths they share their community with.

The first post mentions NOTHING about revenge, or rounding anyone up. First post below:

Originally posted by Hilts

I've seen all the reports of the Muslim community speaking out about fearing a backlash, and demanding protection from a backlash. I just read a report about a Pakistani being beaten to death by some juveniles. It may indeed have been an anti Muslim hate crime.

What I HAVE NOT READ is any reports of the Muslim community renouncing/denouncing those responsible, and turning in anyone they know who might have been involved.

So, what HAS the British Muslim community been saying and doing in Britain, besides demanding protection and claiming it's all a plot by Bush, Blair, the CIA, and MI6?

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Anything in there about revenge or rounding anyone up?