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« on: July 13, 2005, 12:40:41 PM »
Looks like today's shuttle launch was just scrubbed due to an equipment problem.  I don't imagine that the looming storm clouds made 'em terribly anxious either.

Interesting difference between the shuttle and the russian Soyuz, the Shuttle has weather minimums because it is flown manually to a landing (for instance, if there was a survivable abort during the launch, then would separate from the launch stack and glide back to KSC or maybe even a trans-atlantic abort site).  The Soyuz can (and has) launched in blizzards, rain storms, and fog because, as a capsule, it drops down under a parachute.

From the live feed on NASA TV, it sounds like they'll be de-fuelling the external tank.  The problem is a fuel sensor, one of the four is acting up.
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2005, 12:40:56 PM »
faulty fuel sensor.

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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2005, 12:45:17 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2005, 12:48:46 PM »
I was watching nasa tv and thought they launched that test rocket and they werent happy with the results and that scrubbed the mission. Probably wrong though.

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2005, 12:51:20 PM »
The Soyuz is a much smaller spacecraft with plenty of power. The shuttle is huge and underpowered.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2005, 01:58:54 PM »
Soyuz (Union) evacuation system works even when a launcher blows up right on a launch table... When they had an explosion in 1981 IIRC - everyone from design-bureaus and launch facility services were looking for vaseline while emergency-evacuation system designers got high awards.

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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2005, 02:22:44 PM »
Yep, the Soyuz has abort modes throughout the whole launch.  The shuttle doesn't have any between SRB ignition and SRB burnout, about two and a half minutes later.  Even if NASA had detected the burnthrough at the instant the Challenger launched in 86, for instance, there would have been nothing they could have done.

Raider, I was on the feed and they said they scrubbed it because one of the four low fuel sensors in the hydrogen part of the ET was falsely triggered.  It's important for them to have that because if they ran the tank dry, it would eat up the SSMEs (which are really highly strung, high performance rocket engines that don't react well to suddenly running dry).

The Soyuz design is really top notch, wish we had something equivalent in our inventory.  The weight/performance advantages over the Apollo command module are pretty amazing.  The Soyuz has two pressurized compartments, one in back where they sit during launch and re-entry, and one up front that has the docking module, toilet, living room, etc.  When they re-enter, they get rid of the propulsion/power module behind them and the living room section in front so it's a tiny compartment that does the re-entry.  Less need for heat shield, reduction in weight that's launched, etc.  There are some remarkable similarities between the Soyuz and the GE Apollo reference design of the 1960s...  :D  but that's fodder for spy buffs.

One final thing about the Soyuz, it launches on a Soyuz booster which is a direct evolutionary descendant of the R-7 booster that put the original Sputnik in orbit (first satellite).  Look at the two boosters side by side, and it's immediately obvious that the Soyuz booster is the same R-7 structure (with performance and technology improvements, of course) with an extra upper stage.  The great thing about this is that it's an evolutionary design.  The US space program has, until now, started almost from scratch for each new manned vehicle.  According to some memos, the new manned launcher (similar in size to a Soyuz) will launch atop a single SRB descended from the Shuttle design.  Crikey.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2005, 03:01:24 PM »
Heard some discussion today on the Shuttle Program being manditorily retired in 5 years. What's on the design boards to replace it?
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2005, 03:22:25 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2005, 04:04:20 PM »
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What's on the design boards to replace it?

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2005, 12:10:14 AM »
Really from the plans, they are looking at returning to the moon and possibly creating a mission to orbit mars? Looks pretty interesting, I myself cant wait until we can have a manned orbit around mars, just think of all the data that they can collect.


Wonder if it would be possible to put a small remote tv transmitter on the moon powered by solar panels. Nothing major, just maybe a couple of watts if it would receive. Just have a slate on there saying something like "hello from the moon." That would be pretty neat.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2005, 12:12:31 AM »
I forgot, what would be the propulsion system for a mars type mission. would it just be a slingshot around earth to pick up speed and coast there, or will it be an actual engine to give it thrust? Something like that would be fusion or a nuclear engine?
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2005, 12:19:23 AM »
I just learned that the shuttle has a flight termination system (that's range speak for self-destruct).

That's gotta be a tough gig... sit there during a launch with the "kill seven people" button right in front of you.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2005, 12:31:59 AM »
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I forgot, what would be the propulsion system for a mars type mission. would it just be a slingshot around earth to pick up speed and coast there, or will it be an actual engine to give it thrust? Something like that would be fusion or a nuclear engine?
They have experimented with ion drives and solar sails. The ion drive is reactor powered. Chemical power (rocket engines) are not feasable due to the huge amount of fuel required.
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2005, 01:41:24 AM »
wouldnt the solar sail be too easily damaged by cosmic debris and other space junk floating around?
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