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Offline Clifra Jones

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« on: July 13, 2005, 01:57:46 PM »
http://au.news.yahoo.com/050713/15/v2z8.html

Thursday July 14, 04:14 AM  


Italy police detain 174 people in anti-terror sweep




ROME (Reuters) - Police raided scores of homes and detained 174 people across Italy on Wednesday in a sweeping anti-terrorism crackdown on suspected Islamic militants.
"The operation has been prepared for some time and confirms Italy has never lowered its guard in the face of terrorist risks," Interior Minister Giuseppe Pisanu told journalists.

The crackdown, involving 201 search warrants from Milan to Naples, follows last week's deadly attacks in London and comes a day after Pisanu warned that terrorism was "knocking on Italy's door" and urged parliament to strengthen security laws to prevent an attack. ADVERTISEMENT
 
 

"I'm not saying that we have seized terrorists. It's a preventative operation in high-risk environments," Pisanu said before the announcement of detentions.

The ministry said those detained were not under formal arrest, but were among 423 people being checked out. It said some of the detainees were being questioned over their legal status in Italy.

No further details were immediately available.

The search warrants were issued to look for illegal arms and explosives, a spokesman for the ministry's public security department said.

"About 200 search warrants are currently being carried out," said the spokesman, who did not want to be named. "They are related to controlling radical Islam throughout the country."

Police sources said they were investigating a wide range of crimes, from falsifying documents to terrorism.

Raids were carried out in a number of cities across Italy, but investigations were focused on Milan, Rome, Turin and Naples, Interior Ministry sources said.

Also on Wednesday, an Italian judge convicted two Islamic militants on terrorism charges in a case related to a plot to attack a Milan subway station and a church in the northern city of Cremona in 2002.

On Tuesday, Pisanu called for beefed-up controls at Italy's borders and an extension of the period a suspect can be detained for identification from 12 to 24 hours, among other measures.

Last Thursday's bombings of three underground stations and a bus in London killed at least 52 people and wounded 700.

Italy has been on edge since the blasts and has had to deal with a series of bomb threats. In recent days, Rome has evacuated a terminal at its international airport, a street near the interior minister's home and the offices of a major bank.

Britain and Spain, which have suffered major attacks, both supported the U.S.-led war in Iraq, stirring fears that Italy and other U.S. allies could be targeted too.
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2005, 02:03:05 PM »
so we dont have a clue?
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2005, 02:20:29 PM »
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so we dont have a clue?


Up until 7/7 in a lot of ways i don't think your leadership did.

And I say the same thing about some of my own countries leadership before and after 9/11.

I will say that the level of police work shown by the British authorities in the last few days is nothing sort of outstanding.

Apparently the Italians didn't give a snot whether they offended any of these people's "sensativities" before they rounded them up.

If we continue to place offending some person or goups feelings over the security of our people, a mushroom cloud will one day rise above one of our cities.

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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2005, 02:20:42 PM »
One thing I REALLY like about the Italian effort is the concept of keeping the terrorist types on the defensive. The US attitude of 'identify, observe and report' vs the Italian attitude of 'identify, arrest and detain/interrogate' seems kinda refreshing.

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2005, 02:21:42 PM »
No not really Furball.

In fact I saw on the news this morning how the London Police are actually paying to bring in a radical Muslim from Switzerland for some unknown reason.

Your country has all kinds of laws against hate speech yet radical Muslims are given a pass when they preach their 'hate'.

Your own BBC is afraid to call them 'terrorists'.

From the impression I have gotten is that a lot of Police and politicians are some what overly concerned with a counter reaction against the peoples of Islam rather then doing what's necessary to shut down the hate factories to begin with.

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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2005, 02:24:36 PM »
I'm sorry, this does not rectify Italy's downfalls.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2005, 02:25:18 PM »
Is this the 2nd sweep in Italy? I could have sworn I saw the same thing over a week ago.

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2005, 02:32:10 PM »
So we are clueless because we have had 1 terrorist attack in (how many years?) here despite the threat of the IRA and newer organisations.  We are clueless despite the experience of god knows how many years fighting the IRA?

We are clueless because 4 'British' crazy 'muslims' who's family and friends were clueless to their motives, with no previous criminal activity, travel by train into central London with backpacks like any other student and decide to blow themselves up.

Whatever.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13386392,00.html

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13386163,00.html

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1188946,00.html
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2005, 02:58:35 PM »
This is going down fast folks.  All you back-seat drivers need to get with the program and think before you type.  How many of you are privvy to first hand information on the why's and how's of the British empire?
How many of you making claims the BBC is afraid to use the word 'terrorist' have a first hand contact with the BBC as to why they really do what they do?

Do not speculate as if it were fact as that leads to nothing but a thread full of angry people.  Thinkg before you type.  Make guesses, make speculations, but do not post presuming you have first hand accounts on all these matters, when in fact, you probably do not.

This post is an attempt to allow this discussion to continue, but it is up to you.  Make it ugly and it will be locked.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2005, 03:05:58 PM »
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This post is an attempt to allow this discussion to continue, but it is up to you.  Make it ugly and it will be locked.


i have no problem with this thread apart from the title which makes out that the country that i live is clueless.  in fact, the title made me very pissed off.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2005, 03:06:48 PM »
The brits seem to be doing an oustanding job on this.. we ALL know that keeping an open society means that we (and I mean ALL of us, both sides of the pond) will always be vulnerable to this kind of attack.

Hang in there Englanders.. mop 'em up; put 'em away. We're with yah on this!

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2005, 03:08:10 PM »
There Furball.  I have to agree the title was pretty bad.  Class A troll material there.
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« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2005, 03:08:38 PM »
Guys,

I don't have much time to post today. But I did want to point out that until recently Italy had one of the worst records on fighting terror in Europe.

In fact, those of you familiar with the Achille Lauro hijacking will remember that when the US forced the plane carrying Abu Abbas, then head of the PLF and the mastermind of that operation, down at Sigonella, the Italians bent over backwards to ensure that Abbas was released going so far as to disguise him, give him diplomatic immunity, and fly him out of Rome to a safe haven. Abbas was captured again by the USA in Iraq fairly recently, but only after having been granted several additional years in which to follow his calling.

On the whole, the UK has consistently been a much stronger ally in the war against Islamic terror networks and a more consistent enforcer of international anti-terrorism agreements than Italy.

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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2005, 03:10:07 PM »
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There Furball.  I have to agree the title was pretty bad.  Class A troll material there.


thank you. :)
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2005, 03:14:25 PM »
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So we are clueless because we have had 1 terrorist attack in (how many years?)


Who said that?

You asked:

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so we dont have a clue?


My reply was given irrespective of the '1 terrorist attack in (how many years?)'.

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We are clueless because 4 'British' crazy 'muslims' who's family and friends were clueless to their motives, with no previous criminal activity, travel by train into central London with backpacks like any other student and decide to blow themselves up.


Who said that?

I think you must be confusing the conversation in this thread with one some where else.

I never said or implied 'Britain deserved what they got ...'

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All you back-seat drivers need to get with the program and think before you type. How many of you are privvy to first hand information on the why's and how's of the British empire?


I guess the 'back-seat driver' you think 'needs to get with the program' is me.

Whatever that means...

I am not sure what Furball's question (or my reply) has to do with the 'why's and how's of the British empire?'. FYI they haven't been an 'empire' in sometime, just ask them...

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Do not speculate as if it were fact as that leads to nothing but a thread full of angry people.


What I posted is not 'specualtion' it's an answer to a question asked by another poster.

If need be I will back up my 'speculation' with facts. However, I imagine you will have either deleted this reply or locked the thread by the time I am finished.

If you would like me to please say so. If not folks can certainly search the news for themselves.