question for the British

[cpxxx]

Damm I've been deleted.

It was implicit in the first post. Explicit in this line in the second as Masherbraun noted and in the other thread.

If so, then the majority should use whatever means necessary to remove that minority from its midst.

Respectfully CPXXX

[lazs2]

are lada and minus the same guy?

lazs

[ravells]

I think banning US personnel stationed here from traveling to London after last thursdays bombings must count as the worst public relations gaffe since Kennedy senior said Hitler was 'ok'.

I saw a nice picture on a blog today which said: Britain raises it's alert level to a hot cup of tea.

Had a great day at the office today, we marched out at ten to twelve and observed the silence outside Aldgate Tube station. The feeling of defiance was palpable.  All this has done is to have united London.

At Brick Lane, a large muslim community about a quarter of a mile from where I was, muslims stood outside observing the silence like everyone else. From what I've seen on the TV over here, there has been universal condemnation from all quarters of muslim society about what has happened. In Leeds, muslim children held up banners saying 'not in my name'. Today during the vigil at Trafalgar square a muslim community leader said that moderate muslims were not doing enough to denounce what had happened and that they should do more.

My firm belief is that the vast majority of people, regardless of their creed are opposed to the death of innocents. What tends to dilute their message is that they will oppose it and add the rider: 'but...do you know how many people have been killed by western policy?'

This may or may not be a fair point, but they need to get rid of the 'but' and we need to examine our foreign policy more closely if this madness is to stop.

Ravs

[Skydancer]

Actualy I feel sorry for both the victims of the bombings their families, and the families of the bombers. Those blind hate filled fools have ruined their own families and community's lives too. sensless isn't enough to describe such evil stupidity.

[ravells]

I think I'd prefer to deal with evil people rather than deluded people...at least evil people have a sense of rationale.

The deluded don't.

I feel only pity for them, their wasted lives which they could have used to relieved human suffering instead of creating it.

Ravs

[lada]

Originally posted by lazs2
are lada and minus the same guy?

lazs

lol why do you think

lada is same guy like orel and same nationality like minus.

However minus live in france and i didnt hear from him for some 3 years.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Skydancer
The leaders of the faith stood with the leaders of all the others and denounced the actions of those they called criminals.

At the grass roots level not a lot. The day after a computer engineer at my office base came to install our network and told me it was all a MOSSAD plot and there was no way Muslims could have done it. This is a guy in his 30's quite sound in many ways pleasent not a radical nutcase but Muslim. Boy did he piss me off.

Its that total denial that anyone of his faith could actualy do such a thing. Total  bollox. The problem is that these guys appear to want to blame everyone else rather than face up to the reality that there are nutters in any community  theirs  included.

Its the same with any religion, ask a christian about the nutters in serbia or the ones that blow up people in abortion clinics and the response you usually get is a) "christians wouldn't do that" or b) they aren "real" christians.

You don't have to look far to find examples of this

[nirvana]

I was reading some article that said the Muslim population, specifically in Britain, rebels by becoming radically Islamic.  They said juveniles do this mostly.  So the connection I got was:

Western kids get tattoos to rebel-Radicals blow themselves up

[Skydancer]

Good point Vulcan.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Damm I've been deleted.

It was implicit in the first post. Explicit in this line in the second as Masherbraun noted and in the other thread.

 

Respectfully CPXXX

WRONG. The meaning of that statement, taken in context with the rest of what was there, is that the Muslim community must police itself and remove from itself the minority that it claims is the problem. Simply denouncing their actions while allowing them to operate in their midst openly or otherwise, is merely paying "lip service" to their declaration that Islam is not violent.

[lazs2]

I guess my point is that there are a lot of these suicide muslim fanatics willing to kill as many infidels as they can.  

What they want is misery for everyone... if they get what they want then anyone not a fanatical muslim will die and all the other muslims will be simply opressed... If they don't get what they want...

They will kill people till they do.

there is no way to appease them that does not involve more killing and/or oppression.

If we start getting a lot of catholic or baptist or budist suicide bombers I say we kill them too.  

If that happens I say we kill every catholic that shows up at a pro suicide bomber rally.

lazs

[Chortle]

I was slightly OTT in my last post and I'm sorry. There have been many good sensible posts in this thread, didn't see the ones that were deleted.

My point is that we need to make concessions for times like these, not just attend the rallies or watch them on the news otherwise we'll all have bar codes from birth. There have been bomb scares to the north of me which freck up the buses and demonstrations against the bombings to the south, which coincedently freck up the buses.

Everyone condemns the bombings but ask some to keep their craptacular possessions with them on public transport to avoid unnecessary delays and it seems similar to defecating on their doorstep.

Life goes on but for gawds sake, be responsible or it'll be electric battons for all before we retire.

[Big G]

I've been ruminating all day on the issues and outcomes of what happened and I've come to the conclusion that the best way for the country as a whole to deal with this is not only to go on as normal but to deliberately go out and party, use public transport, take buses, tubes, planes, trains and boats, sit in parks, eat ice cream, go to football, dance in public and basically anything else to show these murdering imbeciles that whatever you throw at us, it isn't enough.

It's not enough to get the tolerant British people to tear ourselves apart and create a race or culture war by looking for scapegoats,

It's not enough to get the sensible and stoic British people to limit our own freedoms and behaviour to make ourselves "secure",

It's not enough to dent, harm or intimidate the greatest country in the world.

And you know what? Because you've tried to have a go at us , I am going to retaliate in the best, most effective way I know how.

I'm going to go out with my mates this weekend and have a good drink, a good time and very possibly, some unhealthy food. Because doing what we want, when we want, how we want is what despite what you've done makes us and always will make us better than you.

Because Whatever you've got - it isn't enough.