New la5FN skin 3GIAD

[Tilt]

Sorry but this is in error IMO............

The green over light green upper camo was used only (on La5's)during the last months of 42 . (Using older AII laquers)

In fact this scheme was only used on La5's and with the introduction of the la5F schemes returned to the olive green and black colourings. (AMT 6 & AMT 4)

Which were further retained albeit with a different pattern on the early La5FN


Further 3 GIAD was not formed from 210 IAD until 21 March 43 one of its regiments 160IAP could have used its la5s (various) at orel and so it is possible that an la5 white 17 was part of 3 GIAD however if it was in those colours it w as not an la5FN..............not even an la5F.

It is equally possible that "white 17" la5Fn existed in std mid 43 colours of  green and black and or more likely later olive and grey (AMT 12 & AMT 11)


Sources re camo

Soviet Airforce fighter colours 1941-1945 Pilawskii

Sources re divisional assignments

Stalins eagles Seidl

On another note it would be more accurate to refer to fighter regiments and fighter divisions (similar tpo USAAF used in game). Regiments were often moved from division to division.

eg if white 17 was a member of  160IAP whilst it was part of 3GIAD then following the convention AH adopts for USAAF ac the description would be

3GIAD/160IAP

equally the skin Yellow 01  (Popkovs famous "washed" skin with yellow number and twin striped recog marks) would be

11GIAD/5GIAP

[rogerdee]

i did this skin for a squad mate from the informaton and web sites he provided which i then provided to hiteck when the skin was sent for approvial,I know nothing about russian skins airforece or the way they were orginasied,very time i try to find somethnig i end up with 4 or 5 varations of the same aircraft,er i was working on a la7 and have found it could have had 4 camo schemes  and 3 different colors in the time frame of 9 months.
 If the skin is wrong then it is my fault,but you seem t be the only one who noticed

[Skuzzy]

It can always be corrected and re-submitted for an update.

[Tilt]

The green used here is darker with a slight olive hint compared to the green used on the green on light green camo.

It is not as dark as the Olive used with grey later on.

Infact this (as shown above) is a return to even earlier camo colours of 40 to early 42.

In practice  I would reccommend that the green is "dirtied up " a bit as these are the colours as they would appear out of the paint pot so to speak.

There may well be additional tail stripes/bars (usually in white) to denote the air regiment.

The exhaust plate is left as bare metal (mild steel sheet)which will show heat discolouration and even rust (at its outer edges) in time.

Later divisional markings were used (eg 303IAD's lightening insignia)

Nose cowl colours were more prominent in 44

However it was very usual for mottos or slogans to be written under the pilots canopy from 42 onwards.

The green on green colours presently used are a very accurate rendition of those that may be used on a 42 La5.

We currently have no green/black La5FN's and these would be very  appropriate to a Kursk Orel scenario if ever run in the future.

[rogerdee]

is this what you mean tilt,is this any better?
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any other suggestions?

[SkyChimp]

Yea the paint chips 'Rust' and the black is sposed to be dark green.

[SELECTOR]

there was a point during the war, when the russians were short on aviation paint, they used the paint destined for the tractors... mainly green and black...these paints were also gloss,,

[Viper17]

Looks like a can of Mountian Dew.

[OOZ662]

[hijack]

*Mountain Doo

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[Tilt]

Selector is right but the green tractor paint was used on Yak 7's.

Rogerdee you green still looks a bit bright but it could just be down to my non colour matched screen.

I think the green you have used is very similar to  AII green used early war. for a colour reference thats

Pantone 383

however AII grew darker with age and so became closer to

Pantone 377

The green more applicable would be AMT 4 green for a colour reference  thats


Pantone 377 (again)

However we would expect this green to darken still further with use and weathering.

pantone colour reference chart

Pantone 377 is a pretty safe bet.

Edit

Some other stuff

Your choice of the Black Bordered star definately puts this aircraft in the early 43 period. Infact I have never seen a picture of an La5FN whout either a white or yellow bordered star. However it is possible that the very first batches of la5FN's did have the black bordered star.

Squadron/regiment codings.

You show white nose and tail fin. Many emblems were shared across regiments i have found white nose and tail as you show for

159IAP (44, 216 & 229IAD)
254IAP (14, 36 & 269IAD)

They could have been used by a regiment of 3GIAD I have no data on any regiment codings for 3GIAD

[rogerdee]

ok i adjusted the green to the tone u suggested i hope this looks better any other suggestons about the la5?
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[Tilt]

The cowl band does not extend over the super charger inlet duct on top of the nose.

The exhaust out let flap was painted in the default art work on La5fN's although it seems clear that this degraded due to heat with time.......your seems to be fresh off the production line but i would leave the decision of this to the artist.........

You might want to check the original artwork sent to you by your collegue..........

The La rudder extends forward of the vertical hinge line at the top thus white rudders had a small forward slash at the top....

[rogerdee]

the art work given to me showed a straight painted rudder not with the forward angle but i see what u mean

[Tilt]

Just a request to update the two tone green skin in question to the black/green submitted above by rogerdee.........

[rogerdee]

ill have to re submit it i thinkk i gottt lost like a few other skins