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Offline Gunslinger

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« on: July 15, 2005, 08:59:48 PM »
I take my wife's 2002 Mustang GT to the dealership for oil change and inspection

NOTE:  I refuse to work on my wife's vehicles anymore due to marital reasons.  I do all my own work on MY jeep

So I wait a freaking HOUR and I pay the fee and take off.  I'm hearing a weird noise from the engine and the car is acting funny.  I look down at the guage and NO OIL PRESSURE!

These Idiots at AV ford DIDNT REFILL THE OIL AFTER THEY DRAINED IT.  I KID YOU NOT, I couldnt make this up.

I only got a block away before I turned around.  They added 5 quarts to it right there in the parking lot.  I told them I wasn't paying and I'm not taking my car back untill it has been completly inspected.  

They gave me a rental and said call you on monday.

What complete morons.  I said never again after the last time they screwed up one of my cars.  This time I really mean it....never again will they get my business.

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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2005, 09:08:00 PM »
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...I told them I wasn't paying and I'm not taking my car back untill it has been completly inspected.  


Once it has been completely inspected, then you'll take the car back?

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... I said never again after the last time they screwed up one of my cars.  This time I really mean it....never again will they get my business.


So you've done this before...

They say doing the same thing as last time and expecting different results is a sign of insanity. ;)

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 09:19:34 PM »
Inspected? If it were mine they would be spending their inspection time inspecting their tool boxs while they were slapping in a new motor.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 09:23:00 PM »
My 67 spun a bearing 5 miles after I fired it up after swapping engines.A "friend" broke the distributor pin in my MSD and it pumped no oil.Just squeeled and locked up.That motor has damage.Probebly scored the bearings at least.Make em tear it apart and replace em.Make em replace it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 09:26:06 PM »
Gunny,

Make them replace it. Let me show you what happens to an engine of mine with oil issues.

http://www.carneyaviation.com/enginefire

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2005, 09:26:07 PM »
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Once it has been completely inspected, then you'll take the car back?



So you've done this before...

They say doing the same thing as last time and expecting different results is a sign of insanity. ;)

(AV Ford is in Mojave?)


AV ford is in Lancaster, CA.  The last time was actually an incident with our Explorer.  There were fixing one of the Cats under warrenty and farmed out the welding work to a local shop.  They rounded the pipe out too much and cracked it causeing a significant exaust leak.

Apperantly they don't have a quality assurance section that actually checks the cars before the customer takes them.  

My wife had a coupon for them and it was just convenient for me to take the car in.  It's actually a good think I went because my wife would have never noticed the oil pres. guage and would have seized up the engine.

Personally I don't think there's much if anything is wrong with it.  THey are pulling the heads and inspecting the cylinder walls/pistons but the car wasn't driven that far or long to cause major damage.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005, 09:26:33 PM »
yeah if you ran for any time at all no oil pressure the engine may have some very big issues. Make them replace it.

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 09:27:58 PM »
The smart thing, with a replacement - make them sign a paper that "If anything goes wrong with this engine, they are accountable as well."


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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005, 09:29:27 PM »
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The smart thing, with a replacement - make them sign a paper that "If anything goes wrong with this engine, they are accountable as well."


that sounds like a good Idea.  I won't be here long enough to hold them accountable when/if something does happen.

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2005, 09:30:43 PM »
Thats why lawyers make so much money my leather friend. And why Marines get a bad rap for taking someone behind a dumpster and giving someone a rectal rearrangement.


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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2005, 09:35:31 PM »
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Thats why lawyers make so much money my leather friend. And why Marines get a bad rap for taking someone behind a dumpster and giving someone a rectal rearrangement.


yea what's worse is that car could blow up next week and We wouldnt see a dime from it for several years.

I've heard small claims court has the advantage were usually due to the dollar amount there's no lawyer on your part and the plantif usually settles because it's cheaper than hiring a lawyer.

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2005, 09:37:07 PM »
Point is Gunny, the engine is now a safety liability. Don't think for a second otherwise.


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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2005, 09:37:52 PM »
Anything over a 2 mile space and you have bearings that are scored.They will eventualy score the crank too and sooner or later your liable to spin one.Mine cracked a wrist pin in the 67 stang.Make em replace the engine or sooner or later its gonna seize.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2005, 09:41:40 PM »
Lets take as an example that happened at my flying club this past May - and BTW, I flew this aircraft the day before it happened.

The excrept is as follows:

Almost immediately after posting this page, I heard from some knowledgeable friends who were able to draw some tentative conclusions from looking at the photos above. Obviously, the #2 journal was not being lubricated. Possible causes include

particle(s) blocking oil hole from inside
lead sludge in oil blocking oil hole from inside
bearing spun around, blocking oil hole from outside
space aliens

Between the crankshaft and the connecting rod, there is a bearing made of soft metal called babbet. Part of its purpose is to trap tiny particles so they don't scratch the crankshaft or connecting rod, sort of like an ink blotter. This bearing isn't supposed to move. If it does, it can block the oil flow from inside the crank. The resulting lack of lubrication will produce a lot of heat almost immediately - enough to melt the babbet metal. When that happens, a gap opens up between the crank and the connecting rod. This is enough to produce a ticking noise like the one I heard before the engine failed. It doesn't take long before there's enough heat and friction to make the connecting rod jam against the crankshaft. In a case like that, something obviously has to give. If that's what happened to this engine, the connecting rod is what quit next, snapping at the middle. It apparently thrashed around inside the engine for a short while before being flung out the side of the crankcase.

The FAA did send an inspector to look at the plane. He tagged the engine, requiring that an FAA inspector had to be present when any inspection or teardown was done. Since that time, the engine has been removed and transported to the shop that overhauled it. Under the Fed's watchful eye, the overhaul mechanic removed some parts which the FAA will have analyzed. I hope I get to see the results of that analysis. Meanwhile, I have spoken with the inspector.

He told me that the FAA isn't drawing any conclusions yet, which is absolutely understandable. But there is evidence that the locating tang on the rod bearing failed, allowing it to spin and cause the kind of damage I just described above.

We now know that the oil hole was not blocked from inside the crank.

The inspector confirmed that this kind of failure is extremely rare in aircraft engines. He also confirmed that a virtually identical failure appears to be responsible for the downing of another Lycoming-powered airplane (different engine) just three days after my problem happened. What are the odds on that?

The other pilot was not so lucky as I was. He and his wife died that day.



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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2005, 09:53:56 PM »
Heh, that reminds me of when I worked at Minit Lube right after high school.  They were a local quick lube chain, and ours was one of the busiest shops around.  One especially busy day, I was working topside (vacuum, air up the tires, drop the fluids, check the battery, air filter, etc) and was filling the tires on a car when my boss yelled over to me to ask if the Bronco he was standing at was ready.  Without hesitation or thought, I said "yeah", and Tony (the guy who always washed his hands in the bowl of our toilet, claiming "it's the same water that comes out of the sink") started it up.  Soon after, Tony got excited and was saying the oil pressure wasn't coming up.  Yep, I hadn't put oil in it yet.  And the reason my boss was standing there asking was because the owner of the Bronco was in a hurry . . . and standing right next to him.  The Bronco's owner wasn't happy, and neither was my boss.  But, at least he didn't drive it off the premises. ;)
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