What is the deal with Glocks?

[GRUNHERZ]

I have been thinking about it a bit, and considering that I'm a nvice I think the best weay for me might be to get a CPO (certified pre owned) SigP226 in 9mm for about $500 and use the savings to buy a boat load of ammo to practice.

What u guys think of that?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Masherbrum

It's NOT the gun, it's the person shooting it.



Karaya

I agree, unless there is something wrong with the gun.

That being said, some pistols just aren't as accurate as others, particularly when you throw shooting style into the mix.

I rarely shoot closer than 25yds.  It's just what I trained at.  I guess 30 years ago when I first started shooting my father figured if I was comfortable shooting farther out, in close would be a snap.  Turns out he was right.

Except, of course, with my new Sigma.  The trigger on that is so unlike anything I'm used to I'm happy to keep them in the 8 ring at that distance.  Every time I shoot it, though, the group gets tighter.

Like you said, however, it's me, not the gun.   If you buy a new pistol and after 100 rounds decide its inaccurate, it's because you didn't give it a chance.

Nothing groups for me like my P220, though.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I have been thinking about it a bit, and considering that I'm a nvice I think the best weay for me might be to get a CPO (certified pre owned) SigP226 in 9mm for about $500 and use the savings to buy a boat load of ammo to practice.

What u guys think of that?

That's a great gun.  As I said above, put a butt load of rounds through it.

Edit:  As an aside, if you aren't reloading, I picked up a box of Brown Bear 9mm hollow point for 5.99 to try it out.  It was a little smoky, but seemed to be good range ammo.  Granted, I only got a box but I'll be grabbing more next time I'm in.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Martlet
I agree, unless there is something wrong with the gun.

That being said, some pistols just aren't as accurate as others, particularly when you throw shooting style into the mix.

I rarely shoot closer than 25yds.  It's just what I trained at.  I guess 30 years ago when I first started shooting my father figured if I was comfortable shooting farther out, in close would be a snap.  Turns out he was right.

Except, of course, with my new Sigma.  The trigger on that is so unlike anything I'm used to I'm happy to keep them in the 8 ring at that distance.  Every time I shoot it, though, the group gets tighter.

Like you said, however, it's me, not the gun.   If you buy a new pistol and after 100 rounds decide its inaccurate, it's because you didn't give it a chance.

Nothing groups for me like my P220, though.

Exactly Martlet, and no offense here, but I believe you knew what I was driving at.  

I might be out your way visiting a squaddie in 2 years.  We'll have to go shooting.  I grew up in a family of non-guns & knives.  

My shooting buddy has a Hi-cap P226 and it is good to shoot.  I've never fired the P220.   I might have to check this one out.  
I love the .45 round.  I target shoot with Winchester Target (white box Value packs from Wal-mart) and Home Defense is the CorBon .45 +P.  

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Karaya

[Martlet]

Any time you're out here, let me know.  I have a membership at one of the ranges outside Boston.

Lately, I've been shooting Wolf or Blazer .45 simply because of the price difference.  It's dirtier, but I don't mind the cleaning.  You have to clean it anyway.

Yesterday, I picked up some Brown Bear steel jacket hollow point for the range, just to try it because it was only 5.99 a box.  It shot pretty well.

No walmarts, or anything for that matter, near me sell ammo.  MA is a screwed up state.  I buy all my supplies at Four Seasons in Woburn.

So I shoot what's cheap at the range, but use Winchester White or Mag-tech for carry.

[g00b]

I'd bet Martlet can. I can, it took me 7 years at 10 yards. You don't do this overnight, regardless how EXPENSIVE the firearm. You could go out and buy a Wilson Combat or Les Baer and the results would be the same from a Glock. I shoot a USP 45. My shooting buddy has a Glock23 and shoots the bullseyes' out of every target he gets at the range. BTW, I have NO PROBLEM shooting a 1" group from his Glock 23. He's been shooting for 20+ years. He's the best shot I have come across.

It's NOT the gun, it's the person shooting it.

Karaya  

Yeah right, which is why all the olympic match guns look all crazy, have weights and counterbalances and anti-vibration thingies all over 'em.

Take any person of any particular skill level, I guarentee they will shoot better with different guns.

Sure, people can learn, adjust and compensate for any guns particular quirks and deficencies over time. That time spent  on a nicer gun would yield even better shots.

Case in point, I said I could hit .50 caliber paintballs at 20 yrds with my olympic match airpistol. That's freestanding, open sights, and about 50% of the time. The first time I tried it was a complete joke, I was shocked I actually hit it. I then managed to repeat it several times, in front of friends even. I have since termed that gun the "magic gun" because it allows me to pull shots I would never be able to make with anything else. I have never shot any other pistol that I could even come close to that level of performance, nor have I ever seen anyone else claim a similar level of performance from any non match-grade pistol.

Where do you think the terms "match grade" or "competition model" come from anyways? Just fabrications because the gun don't matter? We're just throwing our money away on these types of guns?

So far the general concencus seems to be glocks are pretty much at the bottom of the list for connoisseurs of fine guns. At best they are serviceable "idiot proof" general use guns?

g00b

[Martlet]

Originally posted by g00b

Where do you think the terms "match grade" or "competition model" come from anyways? Just fabrications because the gun don't matter? We're just throwing our money away on these types of guns?

 

"Match Grade" and "competition model" means just that.  It doesn't necessary mean better or worse, just "specific".   Most firearms better serve one purpose than another.  That's why there are so many different makes and models.

A "competition model" is better for competition.  It's rifled, chambered, and ergonomically molded for target.  It's garbage for most other uses.  To take it a step further, even competition models differ from each other, depending on the competition.  That doesn't make them "better", just "more suited".

Match Grade is also specific.  Match grade ammunition has a more consistent median weight.  That way you get a similar path which each shot.  The pressure and velocity curve remains fairly constant.  

A match grade barrel matches the rifling to the ammo weight and target distance.  Again, not necessarily better, just specific.

Match grade triggers are lighter and crisp so they engage the sear quicker and consistently.  Most match grade triggers are garbage for anything but matches.

So match grade firearms are of excellent quality, but so are many firearms that aren't match grade.  A match grade firearm isn't much good without attention to detail.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by g00b
Yeah right, which is why all the olympic match guns look all crazy, have weights and counterbalances and anti-vibration thingies all over 'em.

Take any person of any particular skill level, I guarentee they will shoot better with different guns.

Sure, people can learn, adjust and compensate for any guns particular quirks and deficencies over time. That time spent  on a nicer gun would yield even better shots.

Case in point, I said I could hit .50 caliber paintballs at 20 yrds with my olympic match airpistol. That's freestanding, open sights, and about 50% of the time. The first time I tried it was a complete joke, I was shocked I actually hit it. I then managed to repeat it several times, in front of friends even. I have since termed that gun the "magic gun" because it allows me to pull shots I would never be able to make with anything else. I have never shot any other pistol that I could even come close to that level of performance, nor have I ever seen anyone else claim a similar level of performance from any non match-grade pistol.

Where do you think the terms "match grade" or "competition model" come from anyways? Just fabrications because the gun don't matter? We're just throwing our money away on these types of guns?

So far the general concencus seems to be glocks are pretty much at the bottom of the list for connoisseurs of fine guns. At best they are serviceable "idiot proof" general use guns?

g00b

Match grade guns are no better in the hands of a Novice shooter than a "Inferior Glock" of a novice Shooter.  If you think otherwise, you have some issues.  

Karaya

[g00b]

Geez, you guys are really trolling.

I specifically responded to:

I'd bet Martlet can. I can, it took me 7 years at 10 yards. You don't do this overnight, regardless how EXPENSIVE the firearm. You could go out and buy a Wilson Combat or Les Baer and the results would be the same from a Glock. I shoot a USP 45. My shooting buddy has a Glock23 and shoots the bullseyes' out of every target he gets at the range. BTW, I have NO PROBLEM shooting a 1" group from his Glock 23. He's been shooting for 20+ years. He's the best shot I have come across.

Karaya

Which was about accuracy, not power, or useability or anything else. And yes I do believe that even a relative newbie can still benefit from a superior quality gun. I have issues for believing this? Get a grip, go outside and take some deep breaths. I can have my opinions and you can have yours, deal with it.

g00b

[Yeager]

Glocks are quite simply the best semi autos available.  But, they are not for just anyone....you need to be evolved enough in your understanding of what quality is to be able to appreciate them.

[Ripsnort]

Glocks are okay. Like Mav said, its a personal preference thing. I don't particularly care for them.  

Don't use reloads in them:
http://glockmeister.com/failure.shtml

[XrightyX]

Originally posted by g00b
Just curious why I continually see people recommending Glocks? My local range has about 50 handguns to rent and I have tried almost all of them. The Glocks are consistently some of the least accurate and have horrible action. Is it just because they are used alot and probably don't get the TLC they need?

g00b

My personal thought is that it has something to do with the weight distrubution.  Call me crazy, but after shooting a Colt 1911 50% of the time and renting other guns, I just feel like the Glocks are top heavy and therefore not as stable.  My wife!!!! likes shooting the 1911 b/c it's heavy and doesn't "wobble" as much in her words.

My 2 cents.....

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by g00b
Geez, you guys are really trolling.

I specifically responded to:



Which was about accuracy, not power, or useability or anything else. And yes I do believe that even a relative newbie can still benefit from a superior quality gun. I have issues for believing this? Get a grip, go outside and take some deep breaths. I can have my opinions and you can have yours, deal with it.

g00b

I'm fine.  I love shooting my "inferior" Polymer framed HK USP .45. I'll match it up with a Kimber.  Again, it's the person, not the gun.

Karaya

[Gunthr]

I have been thinking about it a bit, and considering that I'm a nvice I think the best weay for me might be to get a CPO (certified pre owned) SigP226 in 9mm for about $500 and use the savings to buy a boat load of ammo to practice.

What u guys think of that?

Nothing wrong with a CPO.  SigP226 is really fine, well made,  and reliable but I don't like the 9mm round very much.  I saw a guy with two 9mm rounds in the torso get back into his car and drive away.  He eventually crashed through a plate glass window in a furniture store, but lived to file a lawsuit against police.

[Saurdaukar]

A compact Glock... a 19, for example... makes a fine carry peice, IMO.   Lightweight and reliable.

I worked at a range as a pistol instructor throughout college and we had a 19 and a 17 that both went through roughly 500,000 rounds with no major failures or trips back to the factory for repairs.

Aside from springs, we replaced the barrel on the 19 due to wear - thats it.

They dont point as well as a 1911, the first shot trigger pull is horrible and its ugly as sin...

BUT... if you want the damn thing to go off without failure and hit what youre aiming at - its tough to do better, IMO.

I used to be a Glock hater too... a 1911 guy who shrugged off plastic guns... raving about Glock... whodathunkit?