Author Topic: Ki84 (Read 4470 times)

Wilbus · « **on:** July 16, 2005, 01:04:53 PM »

So when we getting B and C?

ramzey · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2005, 01:23:05 PM »

its obvious my dear watson

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2005, 01:44:50 PM »

Hopefully? Never!

The Ki84 we have in AH2 now outflies nearly every plane in the set. Some planes it is nearly par with, other planes it has weaknesses with but great strengths over, as well. (that is, it might not out-run some planes, but makes up for it by out turning and out climbing them).

It takes a lot to beat one, and it has far better guns than the zero and most 109s. 3-5 kill sorties are not impossible.

Everybody else that wants 4x20mm (in this or in the spitV) just wants an easy mode plane.

What I'd like to see is 2x 13mm and 2x 30mm, but alas no such armament was used historically.

Wilbus · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2005, 02:02:00 PM »

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Some planes it is nearly par with, other planes it has weaknesses with but great strengths over, as well. (that is, it might not out-run some planes, but makes up for it by out turning and out climbing them).

Just like the P38 yet there are 3 of those

1K3 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2005, 02:03:23 PM »

Just hope we get Ki-44-II.

-fastest ROC plane in Japanese Army AF
-Stucture is way better than Ki-84 and wont break like ki-84 when diving @ 450mph.

1K3 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2005, 02:06:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Just like the P38 yet there are 3 of those

Unlike the P-38 Ki-84 saw action in last years of the Pacific war and was tooooo late for the JAAF to regain air superiority.

P-38 saw action in 1942 and served on ALL fronts.

Evolution of P-38s (using AH2 planeset)

1942-1943: P-38G
1943-1944: P-38J
1944-1945: P-38L

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2005, 02:29:12 PM »

P38's suk compared to them wilbus especialy the G.

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2005, 03:46:33 PM »

Wilbus,

The C never saw action and less than 10 were built, maybe less than 5. It should not be added unless HTC decides to delve into "whatif" scenarios. If the atomic bomb hadn't ended the war it would have been built and used in numbers.

The B I think should be added as a cheap perk plane. There were about 500 B models built. The same should be done with the three gun La-7.

SELECTOR · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2005, 06:14:59 PM »

hehe ki84 , now that was the biggest white elephant in history

Wilbus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 16, 2005, 09:18:00 PM »

Well the B then

ANd I know you're lying Bug

Thanks for info Karnak, I had not seen any numbers before.

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Unlike the P-38 Ki-84 saw action in last years of the Pacific war and was tooooo late for the JAAF to regain air superiority.

So what?

The Ki 84 in AH is only dangerous when someone who has flown it somewhat much or someone who is an experienced pilot. Very few people fly it, not because it's bad but because it is difficult to use to its fullest advantage. It can't dive (brakes up above 450mph), poor high speed (400mph+) controlls, elevator atleast.

At 180mph and above Even P47's, P51 and P38's will be able to turn with it thanks to combat flaps. Only at 160mph will it deploy its flaps and outurn them (granted quite quickly).

It's a great plane, possibly the best all arounder in AH. But there is a reason so few people fly it.

Give us the B I say!

agent 009 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2005, 10:15:35 PM »

38 flew in last part of pacific war. My sisters neighbor flew one in Phillipines during last part of war. 51 missions. Saw no E/A unfortunately. Coffee he's called. Lot of strafing missions.

Karnak · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2005, 03:45:04 PM »

I like the Ki-84 we have in AH a lot. On the rare times I fly now it is always my choice for a fighter.

Don't use combat trim and the elevators are a lot better. Getting over 500mph is iffy, but it certainly doesn't shed parts like the Mosquito does, so maybe I am more forgiving.

I was disappointing in it when it was introduced as it was slow, couldn't roll for crap and I didn't know about the combat trim killing it's elevator authority. Once the flight model was revised it changed everyting for me. It now matches the lower end of my predicted speeds, rolls better than I expected and I had learned about the nasty bad things that combat trim does to it. It is one of the best fighters in AH.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2005, 03:56:11 PM »

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Originally posted by agent 009
38 flew in last part of pacific war. My sisters neighbor flew one in Phillipines during last part of war. 51 missions. Saw no E/A unfortunately. Coffee he's called. Lot of strafing missions.

not really they showed up as early 42
but as photographic plane.

They shot down the most japanese planes for the USAAf.

The pacific war also started some later as the european war.

after 41

I was lucky Wilbuz ur one of the best shots i know, S!

Wilbus · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2005, 04:07:25 PM »

Heya Karnak. I've completely fallen in love with the Ki84. However, I have never reached 500mph in it without shredding parts. Most of all I have never gotten it out of a 470-480mph dive without losing both elevators. First 10 sorties or so I flew it after I got back from my leave from AH I lost the elevators several times when trimming it out of dive. Now I rarely go above 450mph. Not needed, it's best at slow speeds, there it beats anything.

Guns are crappy IMO though compared to other 20mm. What I easily kill with a snapshot in the 205 often requires two passes in a Ki84, not to mention hispano equiped birds.
That's part of the reason I'd like to see the B version either as a cheap perk or as a very low ENY plane such as ENY 5 or even less.

Bug, you're one of the best 38 drivers out there and got me fair and square and surprised the hell out of me when ya flipped it up there and shot my wing off

Pleasure killing and getting killed by you !

killnu · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2005, 09:55:08 PM »

please bring the b...please please please please

i couldnt imagine the c with 2x20mm and 2x30mm whoa!! that bit much...