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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2005, 02:23:55 AM »


As a kid in the 6th grade this album was one of my favorites.  I still listen to it every so often.
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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2005, 07:43:17 AM »
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"To their intelligence, it may be, the giant was even such another as themselves. "

I think i'll never learn the damn language. 9 years at school, 2 years pre-school, 2 years at the college (this probably doesn't count because in fact it was me teaching others) - all futile. You have to be born with the language.



Boroda, I've spoken english my entire life, and I cant make any sense out of that sentance either.
I wouldn't think there would be many people who could without the few sentances before and after it to establish context at least.
My best guess would translate it as "Not being very smart, they might mistake the giant for one of themselves"
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2005, 10:47:14 AM »
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Boroda, I've spoken english my entire life, and I cant make any sense out of that sentance either.
I wouldn't think there would be many people who could without the few sentances before and after it to establish context at least.
My best guess would translate it as "Not being very smart, they might mistake the giant for one of themselves"


Even English changes over the years.

This is Victorian English. Substitute "awareness" for intelligence.

How else would one translate a typical military question of "any intelligence of the front?"

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2005, 11:11:12 AM »
I think that particular sentence is almost lyrical.  

They just weren't sure what to make of it.

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2005, 11:15:24 AM »
didn't wells steal his idea of "war of the worlds" from an earlier russian work?

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2005, 11:20:42 AM »
I hope the Jeff Waynes album is re-released soon, it's a good listen.  I've heard that there's a CGI version of it coming out in a year or so.
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2005, 11:56:43 AM »
We saw the movie the other week. I enjoyed it but was constantly comparing it to the radio show and the earlier TV show. I think the effects were better but the earlier show was more entertaining IMO. That little girl sure has one heck of a set of bugged out eyes!
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2005, 03:49:08 PM »
Boy even a tripod could fit through the plot holes :)

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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2005, 05:14:44 PM »
all I came away with from the new WoW is that Gene Barry was a better actor than Cruise.

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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2005, 06:43:01 PM »
Hey Boroda.
I have the text somewhere on my HD, - and that was from the net anyway. Still need it? I'll try and look, and mail it to you if still interested.
Books by Wells that are quite famous:
The War of the Worlds
The Time Machine
The Invisible Man
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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2005, 07:00:29 PM »
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I hope the Jeff Waynes album is re-released soon, it's a good listen.  I've heard that there's a CGI version of it coming out in a year or so.


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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2005, 01:37:12 PM »
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Boroda, I've spoken english my entire life, and I cant make any sense out of that sentance either.
I wouldn't think there would be many people who could without the few sentances before and after it to establish context at least.
My best guess would translate it as "Not being very smart, they might mistake the giant for one of themselves"


I have a Russian translation here, from http://www.lib.ru, it was made in 1935, in the vintage era of translation, but the style of Wells is completely lost there. I have never thought that he used such a... hmmm... interesting language. I think we had extracts from "Invisible Man" in our school English textbooks, and IIRC there was nothing like that.

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2005, 01:52:45 PM »
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Even English changes over the years.

This is Victorian English. Substitute "awareness" for intelligence.

How else would one translate a typical military question of "any intelligence of the front?"


I never thought that changes were so visible, and I thought Wells is more like a "modern" author.

Russian language didn't change that much. When you read Dostoyevskiy or Tolstoy - you can see difference in style and some lexics, but no such figures of speech as I quoted :( I understood what it meant (mostly because I was comparing English original text to a translation), but I don't think I'll be ever able to write such sentences myself :(

English: "It would seem they were regarding this new antagonist with astonishment. To their intelligence, it may be, the giant was even such another as themselves."

Russian: "Марсиане   как   будто   с   удивлением рассматривали нового противника. Быть  может,  этот  гигант  показался  им похожим на  них  самих."

Back to English: "Martians looked at a new enemy as if they were surprised. Maybe they thought that this giant looked similar to them."

English original should be read with a hard British accent, by an aristocrat wearing a monocle. A Russian translation sounds like it is told by a third-class provincial theatre actor.

I have almost finished first part between drinking on weekend, the overall impression is very strange. Wells's hero looks like a professional journalist who simply flows down the stream making only theoretical conclusions. People he meets are something like stupid NPCs, even those who are drawn more carefully like artillerist or vicary.

Re-reading the book after 20 years is like reading it for the first time.

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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2005, 02:04:57 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2005, 02:54:49 PM »
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For me - the main idea of the book was to evaulate a society and it's reaction to facing an irresistable, inhuman, but absolutely rational (in it's behaviour) force.

Welles foresaw the nazis.


Now that makes me want to read the book.  I found the movie somewhat less than inspiring.

Sure the FX were great but to me it was nothing more than two hours of brave Sir Robin.

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