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Offline 1K3

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Suggested, complete Fw-190 lineup for AH ToD
« on: July 19, 2005, 02:30:48 AM »
Note, this is an evolution from the Spit - 109 line-up thread.

I could've started this thread a loooong time ago during the 190 re-model (2 months ago) but the spit-109 threads caught my attention and i feel that 190s should also be included for RAF vs LW (or even VVS vs LW) "arms race"

Feel free to correct/enlighten me right away if there are "redundancies" on the following lineup...



1942 - early 1943
Fw-190A-4
 
1943
Fw-190F-3
Fw-190A-6

1944
Fw-190A-8
Fw-190F-8

1945
Fw-190D-9
Ta-152H-1



Notes

* Fw-190A-4: Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Fw-190A-4 will eliminate Fw-190A-5 from AH lineup and the need for "West ETO only Fw-190A-3

* Fw-190F-3: 1st ground attack variant Fw-190s in numbers, brought to you by Fw-190A-5 modified airframes

* Fw-190A-6: MG 151 standard instead of MG-FF for outboard cannon load, can also cover for late '43 to early '44)

* Fw-190A-8: TH powered BMW-801

* Fw-190D-9: If i recall our 190D-9 with MW-50 is actually 1945

* Ta-152H-1: imo this should be separated from Fw-190 family. Its an evolution, 2nd generation
« Last Edit: July 19, 2005, 02:51:59 AM by 1K3 »

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Suggested, complete Fw-190 lineup for AH ToD
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2005, 01:57:26 PM »
EDIT:

1943
Fw-190A-5
Fw-190F-3
Fw-190A-6

1944
Fw-190A-8
Fw-190F-8

1945
Fw-190D-9
Ta-152H-1

I'm keeping  A-5 on list because so many skins were created for A-5

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2005, 02:44:58 PM »
No need for an A6. Or an F3. If anything we just need an earlier fighter variant (A-2? A-3? If we had it my we we'd get the A-0 with all-MG weapons load), and a specialty like the long range G bomber.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2005, 06:27:19 PM »
I think your first list is a great beginning, Ik3.

1942 - early 1943
Fw-190A-4

1943
Fw-190F-3
Fw-190A-6

1944
Fw-190A-8
Fw-190F-8

1945
Fw-190D-9
Ta-152H-1

Only change I would make is the FW190A3 instead of the FW190A4.  It avoids the weight and no power problems of the FW190A4/A5 and still gives good overlapping coverage.  As far as FW190A3's flying in the Eastern Front, JG 5 flew them quite a bit.  In fact JG5 still had FW190A3's flying in the Geschwader in 1945.

I would drop the FW-190A5, as it really adds nothing to the line up as you did in this list.  The FW-190A4 and A5 gained considerable weight over the FW-190A3.  The FW-190A3 and the FW-190A5 have no appreciable increase in power.  BMW was experimenting with some exhaust design changes but only some of the FW-190A5's benefited.  The FW190A6 gets a little more power and better guns over the FW190A5.


There is a need IMHO for the FW190F3.  The FW190F8 is a late war plane and did not enter production until March 1944 at Arado.  NDW began production in April 1944.  These are the only subcontractors for the F series.  Focke Wulf produced fighter variants AFAIK and did not make any Schlachtflugzeugen (F series).   In September 1944 both NDW and Arado switched production to the FW190F9 series.

These received the BMW 801TS-1.  

Including the FW190F3 gives a good mid war variant without being unrealistically advantaged and it can easily sub for the less than 300 FW-190F2's constructed.  Just slightly over 1200 FW-190F3's were built and it is the second most produced of the F series.

All the best,

Crumpp
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2005, 12:03:20 AM »
Only change I would make is the FW190A3 instead of the FW190A4.  It avoids the weight and no power problems of the FW190A4/A5 and still gives good overlapping coverage.

Besides A-4/5 being a bit overweight, were there really "power complications" with A-4/5 engine? Why? How

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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2005, 07:21:00 AM »
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Besides A-4/5 being a bit overweight, were there really "power complications" with A-4/5 engine? Why? How


The BMW801 series reliabililty problems were solved with two major events early in the development of the motor.  First, the exhaust was rerouted during operational testing eliminating the overheating problem in the bottom rear cylinders.  Secondly the alkane ratio was adjusted for C3 fuel giving it significantly better antiknock performance and was in place by June 1942.

These are not the only design changed during this time period but they are the most significant as far as reliablity.  There were no major changes that effected power production until later in the FW190A5's lifecyle.  The exhaust system was changed but this only applied to certain conditions and was not a blanket change to the engine.

The biggest horsepower change appears to have come from 3 major improvements.  Two of these come from the BMW801D2V15, developed in 1942, and served as the BMW801TS prototype motor.

In late 1943 the fuel injection system was changed delivering more fuel, more efficiently to the engine.

Later the engine recieved the piston sleeves and redesigned pistons of the BMW801D2V15 as standard on the BMW801D2.

These changed brought the power up to 2050hp at 1.65ata.

The FW-190A4 and even more so, the FW190A5, both gained weight without gaining power.  

Now there where propeller changes as well during this time.  My research is still ongoing into the details and extent of its use.  I will let you know what I find out when I am sure of the results.  It appears that a more efficient propeller was adopted during  the life cycle of the FW190A4/A5.

All the best,

Crumpp

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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2005, 07:39:19 AM »
Wasnt the F 8 carrying up to 1000kg bomb on its bomb rack?