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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2005, 10:11:44 AM »
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Blablabla, but nice try to defend the
ganging rooknits this time :aok



:rofl

Yeah, the Bish NEVER gang on anyone.:rolleyes:  Any more Bravo Sierra you want to spread? I bet they've NEVER combined with the Knits to gang on the Rooks either.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2005, 10:18:20 AM »
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Originally posted by Sloehand

When any one country outnumbers the smallest country by some percentage (say 1.15 = 115% of the smaller country) new players must be entered in that smaller country until the percentage levels to some degree.


Well, I'm one of those strange guys that is loyal to only one country, I've made my choice and will probably always remain a Rook.  If I logged in and was forced to be something else, I would just log out again. I'm sure there are others that feel the same :)
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2005, 10:29:07 AM »
Ouch, you are very frustred with the
ganging situation. Sorry savage !

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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2005, 10:38:37 AM »
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But why the sides with the most players
gang always the side with the less
players. What's the fun to hunt down
4 on 1, it doesn't matter what side this
happens ?

Because the focus for way too many people is on "winning the war", not having a good fight. "Winning the war" is much easier if you have numbers... nevermind no skill is required because no fighting is involved. In fact, it appears many people feel fights are to be avoided.

On the larger maps, you can see a "Country X" horde attacking an undefended "Country Y" base and, at the same time and 3 sectors over, a "Country Y" horde attacking an undefended "Country X" base. When a good, even fight develops somewhere, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth about "wasting resources" on a fight. Then someone from one side or another will drop the fighter hangars at one of the bases and the horde will rush down and take it to eliminate the fight.
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2005, 10:43:47 AM »
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Ouch, you are very frustred with the
ganging situation. Sorry savage !


I'm not frustrated with anything. The only thing that really frustrates me is my poor flying at times.

As far as numbers and ganging, it has always happened, it will always happen. It's called human nature.

My squad is sort of an anchor. We flew Az in Air Warrior FR. Always. We fly Rook in AH. Always. Numbers be damned. When we get ganged, we take our turn in the barrel. We do not swap sides to follow the numbers. Period. We decide what front to fight on and we fight there. We leave there if the fight goes away.
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2005, 02:52:01 PM »
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I bet they've NEVER combined with the Knits to gang on the Rooks either.:rolleyes:



If that does happen, it's just out of coincidence and not through any agreement or planning.   I have never seen anyone say, "Hey, let's team up with that really crappy, flea infestet, syphletic gang of dweebs, the Rookies and team up against that equally dweebish hord-lemmings the Knitwits", or vice versa.


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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2005, 02:57:17 PM »
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Well, just left the MA again and the numbers were 37 bish to 54 and 67 knits/rooks.  That's 4 to 1 odds.  We have 8 bases left.  




When I logged on last night, we were down to 7 bases and had 14 Bishops on to 27 Rookies and 40 Knitwits.  I was averaging close to 80 perks for flight in a P-38J, it was a blast and such a target rich enviroment.  You didn't have to aim, you just pulled the trigger and you were bound to hit an enemy.  At one point the perk modifier was at 7 and then settled to around 4 for most of the nigh while I was on.  Pennies from Heaven, I tell ya.

It would have been really funny if the ENY limiter mumbojumbo had kicked it in.  It would have been side splittling hilarious to hear the Knitwits whine about having to fly Spitfire Is and Zeros.


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Re: Taking Sides
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2005, 03:23:53 PM »
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I put in 6 to 10 hours a day at this game  

Wow.

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2005, 03:41:55 PM »
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Well, just left the MA again and the numbers were 37 bish to 54 and 67 knits/rooks.  That's 4 to 1 odds.  We have 8 bases left.  I'm not going to play any more tonight (though I'd like to), which means bishes have at least one less than they might have, because this is NOT fun.


Let me get this straight, you mad because the nits have 17 more player than you and the rooks have 30 more? Try playing when it 65/210/195!:rolleyes:

You have just stated for the whole community to see why this situation is the way it is. Because you leave and don't play! So many Bish are doing this exact same thing. Not only that but they are switching sides to the higher numbers.

Don't think you have come up with any idea that has not been suggested numberous times before. All of them have been discounted for good reasons by people who know far more about this game than you (or I) do.

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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2005, 04:03:39 PM »
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Originally posted by Klum25th
If the cost to play on MA was taking down from $15 to $10, I think more H2H players like me would join the MA and fight for the Bishops. But dont think that will ever happen. :D


If you won't pay $15 you probably won't pay $10, or $5 for that matter.

Lowering the price is not the answer to your problems.

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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2005, 04:06:50 PM »
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Because the focus for way too many people is on "winning the war", not having a good fight. "Winning the war" is much easier if you have numbers... nevermind no skill is required because no fighting is involved. In fact, it appears many people feel fights are to be avoided.

On the larger maps, you can see a "Country X" horde attacking an undefended "Country Y" base and, at the same time and 3 sectors over, a "Country Y" horde attacking an undefended "Country X" base. When a good, even fight develops somewhere, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth about "wasting resources" on a fight. Then someone from one side or another will drop the fighter hangars at one of the bases and the horde will rush down and take it to eliminate the fight.


DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2005, 04:10:17 PM »
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When I logged on last night, we were down to 7 bases and had 14 Bishops on to 27 Rookies and 40 Knitwits.  I was averaging close to 80 perks for flight in a P-38J, it was a blast and such a target rich enviroment.  You didn't have to aim, you just pulled the trigger and you were bound to hit an enemy.  At one point the perk modifier was at 7 and then settled to around 4 for most of the nigh while I was on.  Pennies from Heaven, I tell ya.

It would have been really funny if the ENY limiter mumbojumbo had kicked it in.  It would have been side splittling hilarious to hear the Knitwits whine about having to fly Spitfire Is and Zeros.


ack-ack


You know, I would seriously love to fly in that environment. Only time I get to fly is when the huge numbers are on.

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2005, 04:48:31 PM »
I switched to the Rooks, then the Bish because they were way low on numbers. Last night as a Bish I got way more shooting and kills in my Osti against the Knights trying to take over a V base than I have in a long time.

That said until the last couple of days ago I never switched countries. When I started I was a Knight and stayed where I was initally assigned. Then I was in a squad that was Knight. Now I am back freelance and found that switching countries  puts a different perspective on the game. Not in the game itself because all the rants and whines are the same. But it does with the people because all the names are different. You don't know who the people are, good, bad, new, or whiners.

Oh and for you Knights I took out at V26, It will make you feel better to know that alot of the time I didn't get any points. You would take out the VH and I came up in a field gun. I guess a single barrel cannon against a 400 MPH aircraft is not concidered worthy. :mad:


i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2005, 11:42:35 PM »
when i started flying a few years ago it was the rooks in the hole; nowadays it seems the bish have fewest #'s, rooks and knights have most. The worst part is that, even as a rook, when I log in and look at the map, most of what I see is huge red bars where a horde of knits are overwhelming a friendly base, and huge green bars where hordes of us [rook] are overwhelming an enemy base. It seems most people are looking to win the territory. I avoid both red hordes and green hordes and try to fly in areas that don't have the lemming land grabbers. The #'s imbalance is cyclical, but the horde mentality is everpresent.

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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2005, 12:05:43 AM »
First, I just left MA again with bish at 93, rooks at 138, and knits at 157.  I call those odds of 3 to 1.  I know we don't fight all of them at once (except those wonderful times when knits and rooks gang up on the bishes), but is a simple, comparative way of measuring the numbers. Or you could say the rook/knit players were 148% and 169% respectively, of the total bish players.  Either way, this is a very consistan and persistant situation.
And of course, you can look at the out of balance numbers from many perspectives.  
One guy likes being on the short-handed side cause he gets to make alot of kills by just pulling the trigger in a target rich environment where he's bound to hit something.   Glad he's happy, but I think most (many?) of us have more involved aspirations.
And I don't know  exactly where he was playing, but with the kind of numbers I was talking about, where I was flying all night I could go for two, three, even four minutes and sometimes never get off a shot (before I got shot down) cause I was too busy dodging 6 or 8 planes, and I'm not exagerating.  Put five or six of those kind of situations back to back in one session and the game loses all joy.  And if you look at my rank numbers I'm not a total dufuss in a fighter.  
Getting outnumbered locally at a base is part of the strategy and gameplay, and you expect it to happen time to time, especially if the enemy puts together a good strategy and executes a good mission.  But when you go to four or five different bases (on a small map) and can't get off the ground cause they're all swamped, you wonder if your $15 isn't just buying you more aggravation than entertainment.
And while dogfighting and matching skills one-on-one is part of the fun, its not the end all, be all, for me and many others.  Its just not my sole cup of tea.  
Many of us are not in just to rack a score (though admittedly we all like a good rank), but to enjoy all of what the game offers.  Teamwork, coordination of attack, a good capture, a great defense.  Some just want one-on-one dogfights to the detriment of the rest of the game.  So be it.  But some want a reasonably fair fight to test flying skill, tactics and strategy skills in taking objectives.  Truthfully, I don't care that much if we win the map, I just want some breathing room most of the time (not just occasionaly) to enjoy all aspects of the game.
One more thing, I'm inherantly a damned, stubborn bastard (hard-headed Welsh miner stock).  I once got vulched 37 consecutives times cause I was so damn mad and wanted to get up just once (my score might be better if I didn't still do that on occasion, though now, not as many times until I quit).  i'm basicly loyal and dedicated to what I commit to, and really want to stay and help my friends and countrymen fight off the attackers at every turn, but sometimes the aggravation just drives my blood pressure up so high that terminal frustration sets in.  That's when its "Hasta la bye bye" for me.
You'll have to take my word for it, but if I give up and leave the MA cause the numbers are too lopsided and the thrill is gone, then others have left prematurely before me.
I still think there is a workable solution out there and we as a community can find it if we all want to.  And those that want to slam and bang one-on-one will still always be able to do that.
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