Author Topic: P-47N vs Ta152H-1 (Read 1393 times)

Karnak · « **on:** July 20, 2005, 08:19:39 PM »

P-47N:

Sealevel: 365mph
30,000ft: 472mph

Ta152H-1:

Sealevel: 363mph
35,000ft: 470mph

Can somebody explain why the Ta152H-1 is perked and the P-47N is not?

The P-47 also carries more fuel, more ordnance and turns better. I'm not sure which rolls better.

Performance doesn't seem to be the reason.

How about rarity?

Well, the Ta152H-1 was certainly much rarer than the P-47N, but then what about the C.205 or N1K2-J? Those were also very rare, and in the case of the N1K2-J it is also highly used in the MA. The F4U-1C was very rare and it was not perked for that reason, but rather for over use.

So rarity doesn't seem to be the reason either.

So why the difference in the perk status of the P-47N and Ta152H-1?

Cooley · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2005, 08:23:35 PM »

maybe cause its the first day of the N ?
just guessing

1K3 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2005, 08:43:53 PM »

Ta-152 can go on FOREVER with the MW-50 WEP

P-47N only has 5 minutes of WEP and 10 minutes of recharching time.

Maybe HTC is testing what impact does P-47N have on 1st week or month.

Raptor · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2005, 09:28:26 PM »

If P47N does not recieve a perk tag, the P47D40 will never be used.

Roscoroo · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2005, 09:46:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Raptor01
If P47N does not recieve a perk tag, the P47D40 will never be used.

how do u know ... 14.95 hint hint

Ted Strykker · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2005, 10:45:57 PM »

I took 1 up with 100% fuel fully loaded out too the gills.

Without wep on i had 96 mins. remaining,with it on i had 101 mins. remaining.

Damn raptor got burnt.......It's a Celebration!!!!!

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2005, 10:46:34 PM »

I haven't quite formed an opinion on this one.

I'm still trying to force my preconcieved notions that P47's are pigs out of my head. When I see a p47 flying incredibly well like a standard fighter, my mind screams "HACKER HACKER HACKER" even though I know they are flying a p47n.

I think it's a little bit of both. The P47 doesn't "feel" like it should be doing those things, so the effects of what it does are amplified.

Add onto that the P47 does perform better then a Perk Plane for free and the effects are even more amplified.

Ted Strykker · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2005, 10:53:19 PM »

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Add onto that the P47 does perform better then a Perk Plane for free and the effects are even more amplified.

It's kind of like the answer too the Uber La-7

Karnak · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2005, 11:21:06 PM »

Well, I just did some tests against DKPotter in the DA with it.

It is definately better than the Ta152H-1 as long as it's WEP lasts. Once the WEP is gone though the Ta152H-1 is better.

The Spitfire Mk XIV can do whatever it wants to the P-47N in a one on one, co-E merge. That wasn't close.

Ki-84 is the same as the Spit XIV in a co-E merge, but we decided to test it with the 47N starting with the altitude. At that point the 47N gets some passes, but don't play too long because if the 84 matches E or your WEP runs dry the 84 will eat the 47N for lunch. Keep it fast and disengage if the 84 even looks like it is getting angles.

Do not turn fight the XIV or the 84.

It basically feels like a heavier P-51D that carries more ordnance and climbs slightly better.

It is not, IMO, the anti-La-7.

Widewing · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2005, 12:44:39 AM »

In the TA, I took 25% gas and a belly tank, with 267 rounds per gun (6 guns). I took off climbed to 38k. Now with about 18-20% fuel I eased down to 30k and hit WEP while doing 470 mph. The P-47N stablized at 476 mph. I ran several minutes of film just in case anyone doubts it. Speed was taken from E6B.

Here's the Fast Jug film

Climb: With just over 20% gas, it was climbing at 2,450 fpm at 30k in WEP. Weight is a big factor in terms of climb and (to my surprise) speed.

Roughly same fuel load but 8 gun, 267 round load, I got 366 mph on the deck.

Now, I flew just over 12 sectors with 25% gas and a drop tank, including climbing to 38k. Fuel burn in the TA is 1.0, so in the MA you would need 50% and the belly tank to fly about half that distance. In other words, there's hardly any reason to take more than 50% gas internally.

Power-on stall was 66 mph with full flaps, 79 mph clean.

Handling wise, it is more stable than the other Jugs at all speeds, right down to stall. Turn rate and radius is about the same as the D-11, but it requires less effort to prevent wing drop at the limit.

Roll rate wasn't measured but seemed faster than its siblings. Did a full power dive from 30k and at 591 mph, I engaged auto-level and it pulled out without damage.

I tested acceleration on the deck and at 20k. My test is to stablize speed at 200 mph and then apply max power (WEP) and measure the time required to reach 300 mph. It did this in 33.71 seconds at 100 feet. That's faster than the Ki-84, P-38s, P-51s, etc. At 20k it required 29.21 seconds, which is better than the 109G-10 (at 29.28 seconds). The SpitXIV does it in 28.90, the F4U-4 in 28.59 and the Dora requires 30.78 seconds. In contrast, the Tempest needs 39.63 seconds and the La-7 requires 40.10 seconds.

With a max speed between 472 and 476 mph at 30k for the P-47N, I can see no justification for having a perk price on the Ta-152 any longer.

My regards,

Widewing

moot · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2005, 04:40:42 AM »

Wotan · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2005, 04:59:21 AM »

The Ta-152 should stay perked. It was a rare plane and its impact on the war overall was 0.

The argument seems to be reversed. Despite 1800 or P-47Ns that were produced the impact the P-47N had on the war was 0 as well.

It should be perked if anything. Using it as an 'excuse' to unperk other aircraft or to 'dismantle' the perk system is nothing more then 'agenda' rather then logic.

The 'perk system' despite all the complaints has done what it was expected to do, at least to a degree. HT has said planes aren't perked on performance alone but on a number of factors.

One would assume that as the types and variants of each aircraft class grows the perk system would expand to cover those 'rarest breeds' of each particular type. The only real issue with the perk system is that it has stagnated and seems to have been forgotten.

If the intent behind the 'perk system' has changed or been forgotten by those on high then we may ask 'whats the point'. If the 'perk system' is intended to do 'something' it maybe time for HTC to articulate just what that is. Until then I don't think its prudent to make justifications for unperking this or that.

Pyro · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2005, 09:10:34 AM »

I originally envisioned the N as a perk but after playing around with it, I didn't think it was all that would be necessary. I think the comparison to the 152 has some validity. We'll see how the N plays out and then I expect the 152 to follow it into a similar category.

Urchin · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2005, 09:22:37 AM »

I'm actually glad the P-47N isn't perked. If it were perked, you'd never see it, which would mean that they wasted their time adding it. The Ta-152 probably doesn't warrant a perk tag, since nobody would fly it even if it were free, but I don't see why that should affect the P-47N.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2005, 09:35:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I'm actually glad the P-47N isn't perked. If it were perked, you'd never see it, which would mean that they wasted their time adding it. The Ta-152 probably doesn't warrant a perk tag, since nobody would fly it even if it were free, but I don't see why that should affect the P-47N.

I fly the 152, it is my preferred choice of FW rides. I was in a turnfight with an La7 and he ran. I was turning at 110mph OTD, and he bolted towards his field. I got an aileron though.

Only Jugs you'll see in are the D11 (fighting) or the D40 (jabo).

If I want speed I'll grab a 262, 152 or an La7.

Karaya