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Offline ASTAC

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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2005, 08:50:22 AM »
Running away from cops..an automatic admission of guilt in my book.

This was handled exactly the way it should have been.
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2005, 08:50:53 AM »
"The Muslim Council of Britain said Muslims were concerned about a possible "shoot to kill" policy."

Britons responded they were concerned about a proven "blow us to smithereens while we are dickering around indecisively, policy"

Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man had been wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out".

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2005, 09:08:25 AM »
I wouldn't be surprized if there are M6 in the streets of London with a "license to kill."


I wonder if Americans will  be able to adjust to the loss of some liberties that will naturally happen - actually are happening already - when attacks occur in the US?  

I can envision it all being politicised, too.
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2005, 10:08:45 AM »
An interesting post, Gunthr.  Was that transported forward in time from four years ago?  Because we did have an incident in 2001, and we have lost lots of liberties.
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2005, 10:16:30 AM »
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Running away from cops..an automatic admission of guilt in my book.

This was handled exactly the way it should have been.


From the article: "they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him."

if I was one of the cops on top of the guy I think I'd be needing to have a talk with the guy who was firing shots into him
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2005, 10:24:19 AM »
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if I was one of the cops on top of the guy I think I'd be needing to have a talk with the guy who was firing shots into him


Not if you were bits and chunks spread around on the walls. They figured he had a bomb and was trying to trigger it... the shots were fired point blank from the first guy on the dogpile from what I understand..
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2005, 10:34:48 AM »
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Originally posted by capt. apathy

if I was one of the cops on top of the guy I think I'd be needing to have a talk with the guy who was firing shots into him
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a brief pause and a yell "MORE AMMO UP FRONT!!!" as he reloads!

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2005, 10:38:27 AM »
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Because we did have an incident in 2001, and we have lost lots of liberties.


I've heard this but I don't seem to have experienced it.

What liberties have I lost?

Anyway, to the cops that had to deal with this guy. Took a lot of courage. I hope it indeed turns out to be a "righteous" shooting; I'd hate to see the outrage if it turns out to be a mistake.

I wonder if this incident will give a bit more authority to the words "Stop! You're under arrest!". Probably not in the case of a guy bent on blowing himself up.
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2005, 10:56:33 AM »
Hi Toad,

The federal government can now perform warrantless searches, or receive warrants without judicial oversight.  Your home/business can now be searched without you ever knowing about it, your phone can be tapped without you being a suspect of anything, the only criteria needed is that someone who IS a suspect might have access to your phone, your library records are now open to investigation, and librarians are now under a gag order that prevents them from mentioning your records were accessed, and much much more.

Have you heard of the Patriot act?
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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2005, 10:57:07 AM »
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I've heard this but I don't seem to have experienced it.

What liberties have I lost?

Anyway, to the cops that had to deal with this guy. Took a lot of courage. I hope it indeed turns out to be a "righteous" shooting; I'd hate to see the outrage if it turns out to be a mistake.

I wonder if this incident will give a bit more authority to the words "Stop! You're under arrest!". Probably not in the case of a guy bent on blowing himself up.


ever hear of the "patriot act" you would be surprised at how much we have collectively lost.
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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2005, 11:10:12 AM »
Yeah, I've heard of it.

I even heard that the renewal just passed the House and will go on to the Senate. It seems our elected Representatives don't see what we've lost and/or feel it is necessary.

My question to you is:

What exactly have I lost, either alone or collectively?

People tell me I've lost a lot, but I see no change in my life whatsoever. OTOH, I'm not a criminal nor am I attempting to become a criminal.

So, help me out here.... as an essentially law-abiding US citizen, what specifically have I lost?
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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2005, 11:51:17 AM »
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An interesting post, Gunthr. Was that transported forward in time from four years ago? Because we did have an incident in 2001, and we have lost lots of liberties. - Chairboy


I'll give it to you straight, Chairboy.  You will be demanding for your country to protect you, along with the rest- of us, when attacks start here and we see body counts on Mainstreet. There's no telling what you might be willing to give up.  You don't have to believe me.  When it hits home for you personally, all will become crystal clear.
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« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2005, 11:58:13 AM »
Seagoon already posted the part I was going to put up here. It would have been nice to have that info up higher in the article instead of way down towards the bottom where it would likely be missed.

Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man appeared to be wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out".

Since this is directly related to the circumstances that would make this a justifiable shooting I am surprised it was not given more relevence by the author of the article.
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« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2005, 12:01:46 PM »
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What liberties have I lost?


You can be detained indefinately without trial. According to the SC, "enemy combatants" can be detained indefinately without charge. Even US citizens can be held under this rule.

(Padilla is still in custody more than 3 years after he was first arrested, still hasn't been charged with anything)
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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2005, 12:03:54 PM »
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Hi Toad,

The federal government can now perform warrantless searches, or receive warrants without judicial oversight.  Your home/business can now be searched without you ever knowing about it, your phone can be tapped without you being a suspect of anything, the only criteria needed is that someone who IS a suspect might have access to your phone, your library records are now open to investigation, and librarians are now under a gag order that prevents them from mentioning your records were accessed, and much much more.

Have you heard of the Patriot act?


and this has affected you in ur daily hum drum how?

ANYONE you know ... how???

I think it makes the lawbreakers more paraniod  and the libby lawyers more to wring their hands over ...
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