Egypt hit HARD

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Egypt hit with multiple car bombs

And it continues to escalate. How long before the Arabs and Muslims get sick of it?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts

And it continues to escalate. How long before the Arabs and Muslims get sick of it?

That's what I'm wondering.  DO these people want their countrys to starve and stay in a thrid world 20th century environment?????

Then comes the human aspect of it.  Do western muslims really think they will be accepted if they don't denounce these people publicly????????


This really isn't about the west if they are attacking muslim targets now is it?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
DO these people want their countrys to starve and stay in a thrid world 20th century environment?????

Africa/South America. Same problem, only they aren't getting the same recognition because they are just killing themselves.
-SW

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Then comes the human aspect of it.  Do western muslims really think they will be accepted if they don't denounce these people publicly????????

They do denouce this stuff publicly.  FOX "News" just doesn't report that because it isn't what plays to FOX "News"' target audience.

UK Muslims issue bombings fatwa

Full text: Muslim leaders' declaration on bombs

From a quick search on BBC News.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Karnak
They do denouce this stuff publicly.  FOX "News" just doesn't report that because it isn't what plays to FOX "News"' target audience.
 

Actually, that's not true. I've read and seen on Fox News reports and interviews etc where Muslims denounce these acts.

I think what most of us who comment on Muslim reaction are really addressing is the fact that Muslims rarely come out and denounce such attacks like they come out AGAINST the "West" on many other issues. You DON'T see Muslim groups out in public protesting and denouncing terrorist attacks, like you DO see them out in force in public over ANY other action or statement they disagree with or other percieved slight by the "West".

[Karnak]

There was at least one street protest in London by Muslims against the attacks after it happened.

I also know at least one Muslim who voted for Bush in '04.

[Mustaine]

somewhere in the back of my mind as a Christian i see the end times comming really soon.

there will be serious bloodshed on american soil in the next year i think, and it will force the "rise of power from the west"

just my thought

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Karnak
There were street protests in London by Muslims against the attacks after it happened.

I also know at least one Muslim who voted for Bush in '04.

I didn't mean it NEVER happens. Rather that it does not happen as often, or with groups as large. I'm hoping it will change soon.

[Toad]

What I find more interesting is that given all the Western targets that are open to them they seem to be hitting fellow Muslims pretty hard.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Mustaine
somewhere in the back of my mind as a Christian i see the end times comming really soon.

there will be serious bloodshed on american soil in the next year i think, and it will force the "rise of power from the west"

just my thought

They may indeed be successful in hitting the U.S. again, the freedoms we have and hold dear make it difficult to stop them.

However, I think we've moved beyond the irrational response of
some sort of massive retaliatory attack, like carpet bombing anyone. A large but quiet increase in covert actions, possibly with less regard to who gets offended. But nothing massive with brute force. assymetrical warfare is the answer these days, and the willingness to use it and keep quiet while doing it.

[Seagoon]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
That's what I'm wondering.  DO these people want their countrys to starve and stay in a thrid world 20th century environment?????

Then comes the human aspect of it.  Do western muslims really think they will be accepted if they don't denounce these people publicly????????


This really isn't about the west if they are attacking muslim targets now is it?

Sharm El-Sheik, which was the target of the attack is Egypt's version of "Club Med," only nicer, very expensive with lots of four star hotels and great scuba. The primary target would be European and Israeli vacationers, and initial reports indicate they killed several British, Dutch, and Israeli tourists. From the Jihadist point of view, any Muslims staying or working there, engaging in prohibited activities, viewing scantily clad Euro and Israeli women and allowing infidels to stay in Dar-El-Islam would be apostates themselves.

Destroying their own "tourism industry" is part of their objective - who wants to invite the hated infidels to visit?

- SEAGOON

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Toad
What I find more interesting is that given all the Western targets that are open to them they seem to be hitting fellow Muslims pretty hard.

I think now that they've begun to lose popular support, to some extent, in the Muslim world, they've become more desperate.

They now want to terrorize "fellow Muslims" by calling them infidels and telling them it makes them legitmate targets. They hope to force them back into line. I'm hoping it won't work, there is every reason to believe it won't work.

Also, those Muslim targets are more vulnerable. The "West" will never be really safe, because of our lifestyle, and the freedoms we demand. However, progress has been made in making attacks more difficult to execute. But the people of Iraq and Afghanistan are not nearly so well protected. Strikes against them are easier, and the terrorists hope that the victims will blame the West rather than the psychopaths that actually commit the acts.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Sharm El-Sheik, which was the target of the attack is Egypt's version of "Club Med," only nicer, very expensive with lots of four star hotels and great scuba. The primary target would be European and Israeli vacationers, and initial reports indicate they killed several British, Dutch, and Israeli tourists. From the Jihadist point of view, any Muslims staying or working there, engaging in prohibited activities, viewing scantily clad Euro and Israeli women and allowing infidels to stay in Dar-El-Islam would be apostates themselves.

Destroying their own "tourism industry" is part of their objective - who wants to invite the hated infidels to visit?

- SEAGOON

Pastor.

To me its is about acceptance as well.  They want to be incluced into the 21st century but they seem to want to eliminate every outlet they have to exist there.  

To me if these were people doing this in the name of Christ I'd expect every christain that I know  to say HECK NO!

Yea you hear a few muslims complain about it but you dont hear their "pope of islam" denounce them.  These people still have legitimacy as far as the mainstream is concerned.  

Whats the point though.....they are bombing muslims in Iraq.  They are doing the same at other middle east targets, and they are for sure aiming blindly in london.  

It just seems stupid, they are making all the wrong moves if they want public sympothy.  There is valid arguments vrs the war in Iraq but bombing civilian and even muslim targets there as well as egyptian targets???????

[FiLtH]

They denounce it all the time. It goes like this.

" I think the bombings were terrible. No one should be killed like that. Perhaps the US will rethink its position in the Middle East and it will one day stop."

[Monk]

Originally posted by FiLtH
They denounce it all the time. It goes like this.

" I think the bombings were terrible. No one should be killed like that. Perhaps the US will rethink its position in the Middle East and it will one day stop."