Author Topic: A Russians view (Read 1996 times)

Staga · « **Reply #15 on:** July 23, 2005, 06:07:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Zakhal

The roads here are pure ice on winter so theres no taking chances. Sand must be spread everywhere and then when summer comes it must be collected back from the roads.

Don't know where you're living in but in here I seldom need winter tires.
Anyways if road was private property (and privately funded) then the owner should have the right to collect "road tax".
However if there's also public funding for that private road, like in here they usually have, then it's different case: IMHO people have already paid about the right to use the road when paying taxes to the government.
One salamander refused to pay his share of the private road at our summerplace so we told him to use another road for taking his horses to the lake

Rolex · « **Reply #16 on:** July 23, 2005, 06:16:12 AM »

I'm a little confused, StarofAfrica2. What is the significance of the year 1781 to the origins of capitalism?

Your humble Capitalism 101 pupil am I...

storch · « **Reply #17 on:** July 23, 2005, 06:48:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex

Your humble Capitalism 101 pupil am I...

like yoda you sound

SirLoin · « **Reply #18 on:** July 23, 2005, 07:42:13 AM »

I know of something that really,truly is for free in North America...

There is this FREE car vac next to a car wash here in Hamilton...It was modified from a coin taker to a freebee-push button...Works great and nobody cares you didn't use the car wash.

Oh and same car wash in winter,the owner has set the spray nozzle to stream hot water on standby so it don't freeze...It's enough to wash your car and rinse.

It's funny,when I hear someone say "Nothing in this world is free"...i tell them about this car wash...And I laugh when i spot them using the car vac.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #19 on:** July 23, 2005, 07:52:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Let me explain. I hope you'll understand.

Some things are free. Free for all. Like air, sea and mountains. Views included. Like music too.

Paying to some bastard who puts a bar across a road to a mountain top is... like supporting a wrong commerce. No way.

Paying to upkeep things? What? Sorry, I didn't underdtand? You mean that the money paid for riding to a mountain top will be used to maintain the road? Don't be silly, please. 99% of this money will find it's destination in a pocket of a smart-ass who blocked the road. So it goes.

I don't support such commercial enterprising. Sorry. I'll better go there on foot. If I'll pay him - next week I'll find that I have a checkpoint asking for money on my way home.

And paying for air, sea and mountains is absolutely wrong. At least 100,000,000 of sane Russians share this POV.

You DO realize Mt. Washington has the highest surface wind speed ever recorded? IIRC it was 231mph. The Observatory is also thought to have the worst weather IN THE WORLD. I can see why they charge a fee of $12. Many mountaineers (just starting out) and hikers have died on this mountain. I picture this road being beat to s**t.

While your thinking may seem valid Boroda, you should research before you slam.

Karaya

Simaril · « **Reply #20 on:** July 23, 2005, 08:08:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
I'm a little confused, StarofAfrica2. What is the significance of the year 1781 to the origins of capitalism?

Your humble Capitalism 101 pupil am I...

In 1781 the US constitition ratified it was. No real connection to capitalism there is.

lazs2 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 23, 2005, 09:04:30 AM »

boroda missed the point.. the view was free.. they charged to use the road. In russia there would be no problem since there would be no road.

Old commie russia musta been some kinda paradise with everything free and all... no wonder they had to put up walls and post guards around it to keep out all the people trying to sneak in.

How could it possibly have gone wrong?

lazs

uberhun · « **Reply #22 on:** July 23, 2005, 09:21:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Let me explain. I hope you'll understand.

Some things are free. Free for all. Like air, sea and mountains. Views included. Like music too.

Paying to some bastard who puts a bar across a road to a mountain top is... like supporting a wrong commerce. No way.

Paying to upkeep things? What? Sorry, I didn't underdtand? You mean that the money paid for riding to a mountain top will be used to maintain the road? Don't be silly, please. 99% of this money will find it's destination in a pocket of a smart-ass who blocked the road. So it goes.

I don't support such commercial enterprising. Sorry. I'll better go there on foot. If I'll pay him - next week I'll find that I have a checkpoint asking for money on my way home.

And paying for air, sea and mountains is absolutely wrong. At least 100,000,000 of sane Russians share this POV.

It must be hard to come from a country as vast and great as russia with all it's riches in culture and resources and not be able to access them to better the current plight of your country and peoples.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** July 23, 2005, 10:10:49 AM »

the $12 sounds like a "User Tax" rather than a blanket tax. Whether Boroda likes it or not, he *is* paying for those roads heading to the mountains to be maintained. Its just that everyone pays for it in his country. At Mt. Washington, only USERS pay for it. Thats the perfect tax structure as far as I'm concerned. The same should apply to many taxable issues.

FWIW, most if not all our national parks charge a fee to enter them. Again, a user fee rather than the socialists dream, a blanket tax.

SOB · « **Reply #24 on:** July 23, 2005, 10:32:18 AM »

Actually, when a user fee is charged at our national parks, they're getting both. And I think I read something about the user fee being legislated away...maybe that's just in Oregon.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2005, 11:22:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
In 1781 the US constitition ratified it was. No real connection to capitalism there is.

Not really no, I just consider the US that was created under the Constitution to be more amenable for men to get rich than the previous form of govt. Before that, interstate commerce was much more limited. A very minor point, man has been finding ways to make money off each other since we first crawled out of caves and learned the concept of bartering. I just think that the Constitution coupled with the ideals of Americans created a unique combination for the growth of Capitalism.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2005, 12:56:59 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
Actually, when a user fee is charged at our national parks, they're getting both. And I think I read something about the user fee being legislated away...maybe that's just in Oregon.

no toll roads in Oregon that I'm aware of (the closest one I know of is the bridge into Washington at Hood River.)

they've started with the user fees in the nat'l forest about 10 yrs ago, but not to use the roads, only to park in lots maintained by the forestry service.

toll roads and user fees for access to nature aren't real popular here. most on the north west seems to share the Russian view on it.

the east coast seems to be numb to the outrage, what with all the turnpikes and other toll roads.

generally I head out into the forest to get away from the experience of reaching for my wallet and finding someone else's hand in my pocket. having someone out there charging money to get away from commerce really hits a nerve.

jEEZY · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2005, 01:23:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
In 1781 the US constitition ratified it was. No real connection to capitalism there is.

Really? In my history book the Constitutional Convention transmitted the Constitution to Congress on September 17, 1787. What are they teaching in civics classes these days?

I beilive the road to the top of Mt. Washington is private. And you still have to pay for the bumpa sitcka to? No?

SOB · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2005, 01:55:37 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
no toll roads in Oregon that I'm aware of (the closest one I know of is the bridge into Washington at Hood River.)

they've started with the user fees in the nat'l forest about 10 yrs ago, but not to use the roads, only to park in lots maintained by the forestry service.

Yeah, I've never seen a toll road either. I think I've driven the bridge you're talking about, but it didn't have a toll at the time. Maybe it's a different bridge, or maybe it's just that it was prolly 5 or 6 years ago.

It's the day use fees for the national forests in Oregon that I'm talking about...which is essentially just for parking, yeah...I think I read something in the Statesman Urinal about those fees going away.

storch · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2005, 02:45:58 PM »

I like toll roads. the more they charge for the tolls the fewer fellow motorists on said roads. I believe they should charge per mile on every expressway/freeway and in that manner keep the beaters on the clogged county roads and out of us serious driver's way. happy motoring.

Author Topic: A Russians view (Read 1996 times)

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