Author Topic: PC reebots in mid game for no apparent reson.  (Read 1543 times)

Offline Stone

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PC reebots in mid game for no apparent reson.
« on: July 26, 2005, 08:35:00 AM »
I have just re-installed my PC some weeks ago, and all seems fine, except, that now and then during AH2 my pc completly rebots.

Screen goes black and then the POST boot sequens starts (counting memory etc.)

I send a error report, some times it does not return any info, some time it says somthing about some unspecified driver (does not know what driver faild I guess)

I was thinkin GPU or CPU heat, but I dont know how hot it was when the PC crashed. Directly after the crash GPU is 52c and CPU is 55c. I guess they could be much hotter, before a crash would happend? And I have AMD, it would just burn I guess?

But hardware related maybe?

Any ideas "o guru of computer wisdom"?

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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2005, 09:19:54 AM »
Strange..almost sounds like your having a brief loss of power during play.  Are you running any power battery backup units?  I would think even if it was a driver problem, that the worst would happen is a lockup or CTD..not a complete reboot, but then again, Im no huge expert on it
  Maybe also due to an overheat..but doesnt your Mobo have a heat alram?   if so, let us know what temp you have it set to activate the alarm.
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2005, 09:29:51 AM »
No UPS. But I have in the same room an other PC that never gets this problem, and the lights does not go, so I think it unlikely to be a power thing.

The power suply is brand new 550w, that I got when I re-installed my PC.

If the RAM fails, would it reboot the PC?

Is there any way to get CPU and GPU temperatures logged into some place, so I could see how hot the system was next time the PC crashes ?

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2005, 09:55:11 AM »
I edited my above post after you replied, so Im going to repost my edit:
Doesnt your Mobo have an alarm to let you know its getting hot?  If so, let us know what temp you have it set at for the alarm, as well as what temp you have it set at to shut down (can find this in the BIOS).
  Maybe a memory issue..possibly running out of memory during play?? not sure, but it wouldnt hurt to take your mem chips out and blowing out the sockets.  maybe a short due to dust collecting up.
   Have you placed your comp case in a new location since the upgrade?  reason i ask is, if your comp is like mine, the front of the case allows airflow coming in from the bottom.  If my case sits on a carpeted floor, the airflow is obstructed and i get heat alarms.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2005, 10:02:43 AM »
Oh, I had the same problem of a reboot when my hard drive was close to being full.  I think it ended up being a swap-file problem because of the full disk.  Long shot, i know, but worth advising you of.

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2005, 10:41:30 AM »
Yes the bios has an heat alarm. I set it, and found a mobo program that also monitors the heat of the cpu and system. In nvidia driver there is some kind of alarm also.

I dont think its the heat, but if it is, I should now get the alarm.

My disk is mostly empty space. (AH is about only program installed)

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2005, 11:30:09 AM »
"My disk is mostly empty space. (AH is about only program installed"


    Lol, now there's the reason to have a computer.. AH2 ONLY.  

  But seriously..wouldn't hurt to blow out the cobwebs in your system.  You'd be surprised at how fast a system can get dirty

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2005, 11:46:26 AM »
What made you buy a new Power supply.  did the other one blow up, or were you just doint an upgrade?

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2005, 12:21:26 PM »
I just wanted a more quiet power suply.

I also got quiet CPU and GPU coolers.

Aaah the silence in the room is nice.
Just would be nice with A/C in the room tho. At worst I had 30c in the room, but then it was a very hot day outside also.

When I re-installed the PC, I dissasemled the thing and cleaned it before re-assembly. So no dust.

Still, I think the case temp is now much higer than before, as the quiet system is more effective to get heat from GPU and CPU.

Dont know how hot the case temp can go befroe I get problems.

I set the alarms on for case temp at 50c and CPU at 70c.

It has not alarmed me yet.

I suspect the SoundBlaster Audigity for no reason other than it being a SoundBlaster card :rolleyes:

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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2005, 01:22:26 PM »
If it's overclocked, back it off to stock settings and try again.  If it's not, try underclocking to see if it works then.  If it works when it's underclocked, then it's likely heat related and you may need better cooling.  Case cooling is just as important as the cpu and gpu cooling.
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2005, 01:49:48 PM »
What Eagl said...usually when you are stressing (gaming) your pc and you get a reboot it is heat or voltage related.  Either with the graphics card or the cpu...usually with memory you will get weird errors first. The real trick is duplicating the error.

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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2005, 02:07:41 PM »
My Gut Reaction here is a multimedia driver error, but let's rule out hardware first.

Assuming you have a CD burner, download the ISO image for the Ultimate Boot CD at http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/.

Burn the disc. Boot from the disc.

Run the Memory Tester first, at least overnight. This should rule out bad memory.

Run the CPU tester next. This should rule out the CPU for errors (but not heat - keep reading.)

Run the Hard Disk Checker next. There are utilities for each of the major vendors' hard drives on the disc. Run the one that matches your vendor. You're looking for surface errors, hardware controller errors, or any S.M.A.R.T. errors. Do the "quick tests" first, and then the "detailed tests" next. The latter may take an hour or two. This should rule out the hard drive.

Next, reboot into Windows. Download and install and RUN CPUBurn-In, at http://users.bigpond.net.au/cpuburn/.

Let it run for a few minutes at first, and then longer and longer, until you run it all night. This will REALLY HEAT UP your CPU like nothing else. If your PC runs all night without rebooting or sounding a heat alarm, we can rule out CPU overheating problems.

If it passes all these tests, then I think we should start looking at DirectX, video drivers, and sound card drivers. Note that the tests I've mentioned thus far don't really touch multimedia things, but only the base hardware, which should rule that out.

Finally, check the Windows Logs for errors - do you see any?

Get back to us with the results of your tests.

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2005, 02:23:47 PM »
Ok, thx.

I am downloading UBCD now. Lets see what I can found out...

The PC-Alert program that I am running, has not allerted about CPU or case heat. It also monitors the voltages.

Memory or some other component may not like the case heat tho.

In windows the case seems to be 40c, but I dont know how hot it gets when I get my Spit V in the air :)

I do not get the crash every day, but that just makes the fault more vierd I think...

I do think it some hw driver issue, but I run the test and write here how it goes :)

(if it is the memory I get a nice excuse to spend some $$ to get 1 gb in my system :lol )

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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2005, 02:57:49 PM »
There are 7-8 different memory test on the UBCD. Can I run any of those ?

Wich memory test is good to run over night?

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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2005, 03:42:36 PM »
memtest86+ is a good one. So is the regular memtest.

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