i can recall at 1 time you could fire an HE round at a field gun and get it pretty close and kill it....now you have to hit it dead on...also if your shooting at troops with HE it does nothing.......an HE round between 2 troops should kill them both.......also an HE round right by another gv should do something but it doesn't....an lvt shooting at an m8 will take out a tire even if just close...but same shot from a panzer would do nothing.....the HE round from an M8 or an LVT seem much stronger....give this a look please:aok