Lawmakers should outlaw military rifles (Blualalah)

[AKDejaVu]

Why you'd need a .50 to hunt is beyond me.

In some states its actually illegal to hunt with .50 cal rifles.  Too many people taking 1 mile shots and not wanting to walk that far to get the carcas.

Hunting is not the only use for a rifle.  If it was.. nobody would sell .22's anymore.  Target shooting is a sport in and of itself.  If you don't know what I'm talking about... you probably haven't tried it

AKDejaVu

[mrfish]

Originally posted by funkedup:

Urban rutabagas posing as journalists, take out their adolescent feelings of inadequacy by whining about other people evidently  having "fun"....

lol  

"...and here we see the western runny nosed urban popsicle in his natural environment: sniveling about the foam temperature on his frappamachamerichino with vanilla coffee."  

- excerpted from the 'popsicle and whiner spotting field guide'pg 212, 2001, houghton mifflen

[batdog]

Okay.. so where does it stop? They take what they say is a hazard.. well a .308 w/a scope is pretty damn lethel. Dont think by giving in on one thing they'll quit. History is rampent w/THAT mistake.

 I simply wish that all the gun laws that have been passed for the last 20yrs would be enforced. I'm tired of others telling me how I need to live my life. I know we have idiots out there who will abuse our freedoms but does mean we take those freedoms from all due to the actions of a few? The entire concept just seems UNAMERICAN.

 xBAT

[StSanta]

Well, I heard several people insinuating that the .50 was a hunting rifle  .

Glad ya disagree.

[Nash]

In some states its actually illegal to hunt with .50 cal rifles. Too many people taking 1 mile shots and not wanting to walk that far to get the carcas.

Feh... That's pretty funny.

And I recall a few people here mocking the "walking" in golf and questioning its status as a sport... Now not only is walking to "get the carcas" too much to ask, we're saying even "target shooting is a sport in and of itself."

<cough>

Right.

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[LePaul]

As someone who is from Maine, which has the highest guns per miles ratio in the nation, and among the lowest crime rates in the nation....dare I act suprised?  Whenever I read people saying "People dont need..." and then state what calibers, style and such weapons we can have, I just turn them off.

I don't tell these people what to drive, dress or smoke.  Yet they wanna tell the rest of the world what we may/can/shall do.  

I'm very active in aviation and its idiots like that that wont let private citizens own warbirds and such.  "Who needs to go that fast", etc etc.

Its just lame.  If you wanna own a Tommy Gun, and have a clean record, well have at!  Guns and legislation are oxymorons....how many criminals are in jail for buying a firearm illegally?

[AKHog]

Private citizens can't own warbirds? I didnt know that. FAA rule or some other law?

-AKHog

[Toad]

BAR
Data is for the M1919A2.

Caliber:   .30 cal
Length:  48.7 in
Length of barrel: 24.07 in
Weight:  19.4 lb
Magazine:  20 rd box magazine
Sights:  Post and ladder, rear dial type on some
Rate of fire: 500-600 rpm
Muzzle velocity:  2650 fps
Ammo: Ball, tracer

When I was kid, I had a neighbor who had lugged one of these across France in his younger days.

He sure never had a good word to say about how "light" they were. He mentioned that dragging along a few extra magazines wasn't fun either.  


Hey Santa, how big are your elk and what species? What range do you guys usually shoot from with those .308's?

[Jigster]

I've wanted to go elk hunting, but I'm afraid those rocky mountain boys will laugh at my 7mm Rem Mag  

[LePaul]

Originally posted by AKHog:
Private citizens can't own warbirds? I didnt know that. FAA rule or some other law?

-AKHog

You can still buy em, if they are HERE.  Say you find a nice Russian MiG-15 2 seater...BUT...its overseas....can't have em.  Can't recall the exact law and such on them but it sucks.  Be it a Spitfire from England or MiG21 out of Poland, you can't have em.  There may be loop holes and such but it seems Cessna and others, whose Skyhawks *new* cost $170,000, got annoyed people could buy and get training in MiG's and stuff for well below that.

Aviation Biz is a frustrating adventure.  Everything is absolutely expensive thanks to the lawyers.  People can sue the airplane makers for anything they desire, and this in turn cranks up the cost on airplanes since these companies need to pay legal counsel to defend them from such suits.  We need legislation where if the person sueing looses, they pay the legal costs of the parties they attempted to sue.  Only then will people think twice about launching a frivilous lawsuit.

Kinda scary when itty bitty Cessna 172s cost just under $200,000 brand new.  Which would you rather put $200,000?  A nice new house, or a dippy looking Skyhawk?  (Me, well, I'd REALLY like the L-39 Russian Advance Jet trainer for that amount!)

[ 06-25-2001: Message edited by: LePaul cuz this thing seems to wanna spellcheck everything for me... ]

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[AKDejaVu]

And I recall a few people here mocking the "walking" in golf and questioning its status as a sport... Now not only is walking to "get the carcas" too much to ask, we're saying even "target shooting is a sport in and of itself."

Wow nash.  You've entered a new level of tardom that actually makes Animal look on with envy.

First of all, I will criticize anyone that says walking is a critical part of the game of golf.  I don't know anyone that goes to walking class to improve their golf game. Especially in the situation the ruling occurred over... that individual was facing the same if not more fatigue issues just walking from a cart.

Secondly, how does a person not wanting to walk to pick up a deer carcas in any way reflect on my thoughts as to wether or not they should?  It happened... laws were made... that's all.  Yes, there are people who are just too damn lazy to walk.  I guess even in a state like Idaho, people resent the idea of killing something just for the sake of it.

As for shooting being a sport... it is.  Get over it.  Its actually quite a bit like golf in that aspect... precision is the key at all times.  Then, mother nature throws in her only little set of obsticals to make it less than automatic.  Like I said... if you don't know what I'm talking about then you haven't tried it.

AKDejaVu

[Toad]

$200k for a new Skyhawk?

Check this: http://skyhawk.cessna.com/pricelist.chtml

Standard Equipped Aircraft: $144,900
NAV I Equipped Aircraft: $154,200
NAV II Equiped Skyhawk 172R: $166,000

Still absolutely NOT worth it IMO, but not $200K either.

AFAIK, you can still import de-mil warbirds. Paperwork? Yep. Tax? Yep. But I don't think there's a ban on them.

..and that L-39; most of the nice sounding ones in Trade-A-Plane are showing $350-400,000. You can get "ready to restores" @$160,000; but that'll be no where near your final.

[Daff]

http://www.doonesbury.ucomics.com/strip/dailydose/index19890507.htm


And

 http://www.doonesbury.ucomics.com/strip/dailydose/index19790303.htm

Daff

[MrLars]

WTF...real men hunt with Bow and Arrow.
I'd like to see the poor bastard that tries to take away any of my weapons, legeslate them to illegality and I'll become a criminal, period.

Lars

[Jigster]

You can still pick up MiG-15's from anywhere between 20k and 50k.

There are several companies in the US that import them, just pick up an aero trader magazine, they usually always have 10-20. They often provide a course, and will deliver too, albeit with a marginal price hike.

There was a nice one for sale in Houston last year, loved the paint scheme...but with fuel prices it's hard to sell a gas guzzling Russian jet