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« on: June 22, 2001, 02:44:00 PM »
Hey liberals, its articles like these that make you loose elections. For 2nd admendment supporters, get ready to barf. They going after your hunting rifles next mark my words. Like the old saying Let the camel stick his nose in the tent to keep warm, next morning the whole damn thing is in there...
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Lawmakers should outlaw military rifles

By Jason Bennyhoff
Thu, Jun 21 12:00 PM EDT
The Battalion
Texas A&M U.

(U-WIRE) COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- A recent article in Rolling Stone reported an entire subculture of Americans dedicated to sniping and the use of ultra, high-powered, military firearms. In the story, backwoods frontiersmen posing as normal people, take out their adolescent aggression by discharging powerful firearms, evidently for "fun."

They lie on hillsides, peppering steel targets with bullets from nearly a mile away. Among the weapons, they use are the Armalite AR-50 and the EDM Windrunner, both .50-caliber sniper rifles manufactured to kill people and pierce armored vehicles from [blink]thousands of yards away[/blink]. And to do this, they did no more paperwork than an 18-year-old buying a pellet gun at a local sports store. The scary thing is that the story is true, and the weapons of near mass destruction these men use are legal.

A number of lawmakers, including Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., are working to change that, however. These legislators are promoting a bill that would reclassify these behemoth rifles for military use only, making them nearly impossible for an average citizen to buy. Inevitably, this effort will produce a backlash from conservative gun lovers. Nonetheless, these guns must be banned for the safety of the public.

Gun advocates, including John Burtt, chairman of the Fifty Caliber Shooters Association, say there is no reason to criminalize the use of these weapons. Burtt states, correctly, that there is no record of a .50-caliber sniper rifle, such as the Windrunner, being used in a crime. However, there was a time when there was no record of an assault rifle being used in a crime.

Once upon a time, it was legal to buy and own a Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) -- this turned out to be a mistake police departments the across the nation would live to lament. After the invention of the gun, gangsters realized its potential uses, and some of the most colorful characters of the era, including Bonnie and Clyde, used them against police. Granted, large sniper rifles weigh between 25 and 40 pounds, making them much heavier than a BAR, and they fire far slower. However, these facts make it less likely they will be used in an armed robbery and more likely they will be used by a lunatic at the top of a college bell tower.

Charles Whitman did not have a .50-caliber rifle to shoot during his infamous rampage in Austin. He could only shoot passersby with ease, not armored car drivers. But he also did not have an automatic weapon. Whitman used precise shooting with bolt-action, hunting rifles for the majority of his killing. One only can imagine the destruction he could have wreaked had he been using a rifle designed to shoot straight through a brick wall rather than simply fell a deer in the forest.

One would assume that the Brady Bill would have outlawed weapons such as these, but instead it applies only to assault weapons -- what the bill defines in part as "weapons not operated by lever, bolt, slide or pump." Hence, these large bolt-action rifles are exempt from the bill.

Considering the controversy that surrounded the Brady Bill, it is unlikely that this latest measure to restrict firearms will pass, especially with a Republican in the country's highest office. America can only sit and wait, hoping that the .50-caliber's unblemished crime record stays that way.

(C) 2001 The Battalion via U-WIRE

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2001, 02:59:00 PM »
Dianne Feinstein
 http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/dianne_f.html

hehe

and as for Henry Waxman's credibility:

Committee on Standards of Official Conduct
HT-2, The Capitol
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515

Re: Complaint Against Congressman Henry Waxman and Involved Democrats on the House Government Reform Committee.

Dear Committee:

On behalf of the American people and in the public interest, we hereby file a complaint against Congressman Henry Waxman of the 29th District of California. Judicial Watch is a public interest group dedicated to fighting government corruption.

In recent days there have been press reports on the Fox News Channel and in the Washington Times that Congressman Waxman and Democrats on the House Government Reform Committee have attempted to impede the free flow of testimony of a material witness, Johnny Chung, in the campaign finance/Chinagate scandals. Attached hereto as Exhibit 1, and incorporated by reference are the transcripts, a video clip, and press reports of these allegations.

Furthermore, recent press reports have suggested that Congressman Waxman may be one of the individuals, including, but not limited to, officials of the Democratic Party and the Clinton Administration, who have engaged in a scheme to use the Internal Revenue Service to audit, harass and harm critics of the Clinton Administration. Attached hereto as Exhibit 2, and incorporated by reference are press reports of these allegations.

If true, these reports on the campaign finance/Chinagate and IRS scandals would mean that Congressman Waxman has violated laws and rules that include, but are not limited to: 18 U.S.C.§§ 1505, 1502; House Rule XXIV, Code of Official Conduct, no.1; and The Code of Ethics for Government Employment, nos. 1, 2, 9 & 10. We therefore demand a full investigation on behalf of the American people.

In light of the fact that Chairman Dan Burton of the Government Reform Committee has continuously complained about Democrat obstruction of his investigation into the campaign finance/Chinagate scandals, and given his remarks yesterday evening on The O’Reilly Factor on Fox News (enclosed as part of Exhibit 1), it is clear that he should certify that he believes this information is submitted in good faith and warrants the review and consideration of the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct.

Judicial Watch, Inc., certifies that it has provided an exact copy of this complaint and all attachments to Congressman Waxman and Chairman Burton.

Sincerely,

JUDICIAL WATCH, INC.


Larry Klayman
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2001, 03:05:00 PM »
I'll get upset when they go after the hunting rifles.  I have no problems with making sniper and other military issue hardware "military use only."  You don't need a .50 cal sniper rifle anymore than you need an assault rifle.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2001, 03:08:00 PM »
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I'll get upset when they go after the hunting rifles. I have no problems with making sniper and other military issue hardware "military use only."

What constitutes a sniper rifle?  Would it just be a matter of outlawing .50 calibre weapons?  If so.. adress it that way.  If you do not, you open the door since the .308 is the calibre of choice for most snipers.  My 7mm STW is technically a sniper rifle.  Wow.. talk about openening the flood gates.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »
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You don't need a .50 cal sniper rifle anymore than you need an assault rifle.

Does anyone understand the Constitution at all? The right to bear arms has nothing to do with owning a hunting weapon. Its the right to bear arms to defend ourselves against a corrupt government should that "need" ever arise.

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2001, 03:24:00 PM »
i don't think the 2nd amendment really guarantees gun-rights for each person. it says "the people" but the part about a "well regulated" militia paves the way for arguing for some type of restriction.

today "the people" is interpreted to mean everyone but even gun advocates support some restrictions - i mean would we all agree that 3yr olds and insane people with felony records should be allowed to own guns?

i think in reality it was probably more geared toward ensuring local autonomy and as a check against a large standing federal army rather than a citizen per citizen guarantee of unrestricted ownership.

however whether it was or not back then ....it IS a part of the american mindset now and has given citizen level americans piece of mind for several hundred years.

i would be for an ammendment that was more specific about granting rights to the citizens but i dont think the current one is clear enough. maybe a new clear ammendment granting specific rights would settle the matter up once and for all?

EDIT: and besides there is still a law against shooting people! if it were obeyed this thread wouldn't exist.    :)

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2001, 03:30:00 PM »
oops double post

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2001, 03:54:00 PM »
Mr Fish, Niffty:
Point I was trying to make, this issue and the other one open legal abortion, cost you guys elections.
  Americans don't like having their constitutial rights snached. I knew when they passed the assualt weapon ban, hunting rifles where next. They just simply call it a military sniper weapon.
   Now all the social stuff you guys like which I don't have a problem with, ie early reading development, prescription drugs for seiors etc, all get toejamcanned because of these two issues.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2001, 03:57:00 PM »
you guys? how do you make me a liberal for supporting private gun ownership? did you read to the end?

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2001, 04:14:00 PM »
LOL ok sorry Mr fish, you let off the hook. I just pointing out if they want all their social programs, they better rethink these two issues that all..
  As for you your right I read the first line or so and went "Bah"

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2001, 05:59:00 PM »
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In the story, backwoods frontiersmen posing as normal people, take out their adolescent aggression by discharging powerful firearms, evidently for "fun."

Urban rutabagas posing as journalists, take out their adolescent feelings of inadequacy by whining about other people evidently  having "fun"....

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2001, 06:04:00 PM »
And 10Bears you are 100% correct about the elections.  There are a few things about the Democratic Party which occasionally appeal to me, but the Safety Nazi wing of the party always rears its ugly head and I end up voting more sensibly.  There are quite a few deranged citizens of this country who are hell bent on removing all risk (and at the same time all freedom and all fun) from life.   :(

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2001, 02:19:00 AM »
Once upon a time, it was legal to buy and own a Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) -- this turned out to be a mistake police departments the across the nation would live to lament. After the invention of the gun, gangsters realized its potential uses, and some of the most colorful characters of the era, including Bonnie and Clyde, used them against police. Granted, large sniper rifles weigh between 25 and 40 pounds, making them much heavier than a BAR, and they fire far slower. However, these facts make it less likely they will be used in an armed robbery and more likely they will be used by a lunatic at the top of a college bell tower.

Ah another idiot journalist.

Btw you can still get BAR's, dirt cheap. They never were outlawed. Given the price you can pick one up for, the 200$ fee needed to register a fully automatic version is no biggy. I have two, one is display piece, the other is working hunting rifle. Neither are automatic though.

Didn't read the rest, he lost credibility very quickly  :)

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2001, 04:35:00 AM »
I've been out with my father and brother hunting elks.

An elk is a big diddly'n animal, and I wouldn't want to have one chargin down on me. It weights half a ton or so (at least all elks *I* see do  :D). A .308M is sufficient to drop one of these things with one round.

Why you'd need a .50 to hunt is beyond me. Yer either a very bad shot or just a bit loose in the head if you do.

Unless we're talking hunting elephants or other BAG (Big Assed Game), and I on't see too many elephant hunters in the US.

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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2001, 07:10:00 PM »
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[QB]Why you'd need a .50 to hunt is beyond me.

Who said anything about using a 50 cal to hunt? That would be stupid, it would blow most of the meat away.

The .50 cal is for the poor lefty who tries to come to my house to take away all my other guns/rights.

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