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Offline Raider179

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« on: July 28, 2005, 10:58:35 PM »
Ever wonder why our diplomacy seems to suck???

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8730875/site/newsweek/

Like administrations before it, the Bush White House is rewarding campaign fund-raisers with plum diplomatic posts.

But photo ops are cheap compared to the price of an ambassadorship, and nothing speaks quite so loudly about the Bush administration’s priorities as its senior embassy postings. Germany’s new ambassador has no obvious qualifications or abilities to repair the deeply strained relationship with one of America’s most important allies for the last 50 years. However William Timken Jr., an Ohio industrialist, does have one big claim to the job: he raised at least $200,000 for the president’s re-election campaign in 2004—ranking him among the elite class of fund-raisers known as the Bush Rangers. In January, the Timken Co., where Timken is chairman of the company’s board of directors, contributed $250,000 to fund Bush’s Inauguration festivities.

A White House spokesman says Bush tapped Timken for the Berlin post because he’s an “experienced executive.” Yet Timken has no diplomatic background, and, according to his spokeswoman, does not speak German.

Even for those not closely monitoring Bush’s campaign finances, Timken might be a familiar name. In April 2003, Bush visited one of Timken’s research facilities in Ohio, where he delivered a speech about the improving economy and argued that more tax cuts were needed to sustain growth. Standing in front of a backdrop that read JOBS AND GROWTH, Bush said more tax cuts would mean “companies like Timken have got a better capacity to expand, which means jobs.” A month later, Congress approved—and Bush signed into law—those additional tax cuts. Yet, in May 2004, in the heat of the presidential election year, Timken announced it would close three of its Canton-area facilities, affecting 1,300 jobs. Democrats immediately seized on the Timken layoffs, noting the irony of Bush’s earlier speech. On Election Day, Bush felt the backlash, narrowly losing Stark County (where the facilities were located) by about 3,000 votes. (Timken and its labor unions continue to negotiate over the fate of employees at the plants.)

Timken is the eighth $100,000-plus Bush fund-raiser to be nominated for an ambassadorship since January. On Wednesday, the White House nominated Al Hoffman, a Florida developer who has raised $300,000 for Bush’s presidential campaigns, to be ambassador to Portugal. Last month, Bush appointed Robert Tuttle, a California car dealer, to be ambassador to the United Kingdom, while Ronald Spogli, a California financer who was Bush’s classmate at Harvard Business School, was named the top diplomat in Rome. Both men were Bush Pioneers in 2004—having raised at least $100,000 for the campaign. In April, the White House named David Wilkins, a South Carolina state representative who raised $200,000 for the 2004 campaign, as the ambassador to Canada. That appointment raised concerns north of the border when Wilkins admitted that he’d only visited Canada once—more than 30 years ago on a trip to Niagara Falls—and that he didn’t speak French (Canada is officially a bilingual country).

All told, more than 30 of Bush’s top fund-raisers in 2000 and 2004 have scored ambassadorships. About one third of Bush’s ambassadors have been political appointees—a statistic on par with that of other administrations.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8730875/site/newsweek/

I know this happened when Dems were in office too so lets save the "they did it so so can we" argument. I would think we could all agree appointing people with absolutely no skill in diplomacy during times like these is reprehensible.

My favorite though is Robert Tuttle the car dealer to the UK ambassador. Man is that really the best we got?

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2005, 11:39:31 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2005, 11:52:21 PM »
Gah... is there actually something that Bush is doing _RIGHT_ ?

Well.. he did actually find terrorists from Afganistan and get rid of one of the most annoying governments on earth, but he forgot the first priority. Job half done.
The whole Iraq thing has been nothing but a big mess, without any plans what to do after the war and especially when its found out there indeed was no WMD, like most foreigners tried to tell him.
Also his diplomacy has sucked bad, hes hardly done anything right in foreign affairs.

So this leaves a question.. what has he done right?
Has he had better success in national politics?

Appointing dumbs as ambassadors wouldn't be so bad if he hadn't been causing such a bad mess by himself already.
Handful of things can be done wrong and get away with it, but when several things are done wrong, thats bad.

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2005, 11:57:17 PM »
No different in a Democratic Administration. Just politics as usual.

Note: Ambasadors don't do much of anything.. it's the diplomatic staff, career members of the State Department that get the job done. Ambassadors are just window dressing.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2005, 12:01:39 AM »
like hang said this is status quo in DC


but for some reason when Bush does it's twice as bad.  

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2005, 12:03:38 AM »
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but for some reason when Bush does it's twice as bad.  


Just because he isn't happy with doing just few things wrong, but does everything else too.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2005, 12:03:40 AM »
So would that be like Larry Lawrence, a San Diego businessman once listed in the Forbes 400, who was an early supporter of Clinton in 1992, served on his national finance committee and donated over $200,000 to his election campaign?

The Larry Lawrence that, in exchange, during his final years, while he was suffering from a debilitating blood disorder, got all his wishes granted by the White House genie? He slept in the Lincoln Bedroom, flew on Air Force One, was appointed ambassador to Switzerland, hosted the president at his Coronado Island estate and was buried at Arlington National Cemetery?

Is Bush doing stuff like that?

Oh... your outrage when Clinton did stuff like this must have got lost in the mail. Can you resend?




Oh, yeah... before you say this is "just one example" check out James Hormel, heir to the Hormel "spam" fortune, who gave ~$200K to the Democrat's campaign and ended up as Ambassador to Luxembourg in a "recess appointment" by Clinton. Why a recess appointment? You tell me.

Then there's that Marc Rich pardon.........


But, hey, enjoy your outrage.
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2005, 02:18:13 AM »
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Is Bush doing stuff like that?

Oh... your outrage when Clinton did stuff like this must have got lost in the mail. Can you resend?




Oh, yeah... before you say this is "just one example" check out James Hormel, heir to the Hormel "spam" fortune, who gave ~$200K to the Democrat's campaign and ended up as Ambassador to Luxembourg in a "recess appointment" by Clinton. Why a recess appointment? You tell me.

Then there's that Marc Rich pardon.........


But, hey, enjoy your outrage.


Like I said in the beginning I know both sides have done it. What is different is to me is 1 we are at "war" and need competent people in are higher levels of government and 2 Bush says stuff like this

Addressing guests at a $2,000-a-plate fundraiser, George W. Bush pledged Monday that, if re-elected in November, he and running mate Dick Cheney will "restore honor and dignity to the White House."

"After years of false statements and empty promises, it's time for big changes in Washington," Bush said. "We need a president who will finally stand up and fight against the lies and corruption. It's time to renew the faith the people once had in the White House. If elected, I pledge to usher in a new era of integrity inside the Oval Office."

Bush told the crowd that, if given the opportunity, he would work to reestablish the goodwill of the American people "from the very first hour of the very first day" of his second term.

"The people have spoken," Bush said. "They said they want change. They said it's time to clean up Washington. They're tired of politics as usual. They're tired of the pursuit of self-interest that has gripped Washington. They want to see an end to partisan bickering and closed-door decision-making. If I'm elected, I'll make sure that the American people can once again place their trust in the White House."

Bush makes it out to seem as if he is all about Change and cleaning up "politics as usual" but it just more of his lies. Its Politics as usual and that is the point I am trying to make. He claims to be different or even better than previous presidents but really he is just the same.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2005, 02:19:15 AM »
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Originally posted by Raider179
I know this happened when Dems were in office too so lets save the "they did it so so can we" argument. I would think we could all agree appointing people with absolutely no skill in diplomacy during times like these is reprehensible.


Agreed.

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2005, 03:34:32 AM »
Oh Oh, system failure ... that does not compute .... News Flash ... Most of these people are pretty darn good at diplomacy or they wouldn't be on the fortune 500 list.

You better believe that making that kind of money takes a whole lot of diplomacy.
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2005, 07:06:11 AM »
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No different in a Democratic Administration. Just politics as usual.
 


Well, there is a difference, giving up US missile guidence technology for campaign donations from China is border-line treason. At least Bush has the sense not to do that.

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Trie channeled more than $1.2 million to the DNC and to President Clinton's legal defense fund, all of which was returned on the suspicion it was foreign-tainted. At least $1 million was wired to Trie from Asian banks. Keshi Zhan, who earns $22,408 annually as a municipal employee was called Trie's social secretary. Her mother, Ying Qun Ma, is a retired senior Chinese government official and her father, Fan Zhan, has been a professor of Russian linguistics at prestigious Beijing University. Keshi Zhan held a joint bank account with Trie and Shao Zhengkang, a senior executive of a corporation owned by the Chinese State Council, the government's highest administrative body. She also had signatory authority over funds held by Ng Lap Seng, a Macao-based business partner of Trie's, that were used to make political contributions to the Democratic National Committee. A deposit of $12,500 from a Trie-Ng account was made to the joint Trie-Zhan-Shao account in February 1996, on the same day, Zhan made a $12,500 contribution to the DNC with funds from the Trie-Zhan-Shao account. Shao is a high-ranking officer of China Everbright in Hong Kong and Beijing, which is wholly owned by the Chinese State Council. Zhan shared another joint account on behalf of Trie with Shao and Su Yonghi, a former Chinese Embassy attache in Washington. Democrats on the investigating committee refused to grant immunity to Keshi Zhan for her testimony.

Far Eastern Economic Review quotes House Government Reform and Oversight Committee sources as saying Chinese money came in the form of a $3,000 check written by the Chinese consulate in Los Angeles, as a partial reimbursement for a $5,000 contribution from Sioeng to Wong's campaign, payable to Ted Sioeng, an Indonesian businessman who gave $400,000 to the Democratic National Committee during the 1996 election cycle. Committee investigators said the FBI intercepted telephone calls from the Chinese consulate in Los Angeles, mentioning Sioeng and plans to influence American elections Visa applications for investigators to meet with Sioeng in Hong Kong have been denied by the Chinese government.

Government Reform and Oversight Committee investigators may present evidence that Sioeng helped to get the daughter of a former Chinese consul-general in Los Angeles, Zhou Wenzhang, into the little-known Iowa Wesleyan College on a full scholarship. Sioeng has been on the board of trustees of the college since 1994. Since then, many of his contacts in Asia have obtained honorary degrees from the college. Tsang Hin-chi, chairman of Hong Kong-listed clothing-maker and retail-giant Goldlion Holdings may be investigated because of extensive links between himself and Sioeng in the U.S. and Asia. Tsang has been a member of the standing committee of China's parliament, the National People's Congress, since 1994 and is one of Hong Kong's most prominent pro-China figures. His company derives 80% of its revenue from mainland China. Tsang and Sioeng have known each other at least since 1994. In April of that year, Sioeng arranged for Tsang to be granted an honorary doctorate from Iowa Wesleyan. Sioeng's Belize-based SS Group owns 24% of a $7 million cigarette manufacturing and marketing venture that Goldlion set up with the government of Hainan province in 1995. In 1996, Sioeng and his daughter became part-owners and directors of Goldlion's U.S. subsidiary, Goldlion International. The company opened a store inside Sioeng's Hollywood Metropolitan Hotel in early 1996 and the store was managed by Tsang's eldest son, Jimmy. It folded after a few months and Sioeng's stake in Goldlion International was bought out by Goldlion. Jimmy Tsang and his wife, Jean Lim, attended a major DNC fund-raiser in Washington with Sioeng in February 1996.


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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2005, 09:20:44 AM »
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Like I said in the beginning I know both sides have done it. What is different is to me is 1 we are at "war" and need competent people in are higher levels of government and 2 Bush says stuff like this


Who decides who is competent? the author of the article writes:

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Germany’s new ambassador has no obvious qualifications or abilities to repair the deeply strained relationship with one of America’s most important allies for the last 50 years. However William Timken Jr., an Ohio industrialist


Is he saying that a successful business man has no skill with people?  Is he saying to be an ambassador you must have  Joe Wilson like qualities and have your own agenda that differs from the Administrations?
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2005, 10:04:57 AM »
Rip, did you even bother to read that tripe or was it all the Chinese names that made you think you were actually making a point?

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2005, 10:09:16 AM »
State Department insiders should NOT be appointed to ambassadorships.  People who are able and willing to back the President's message should be.

We have diplomatic professionals to handle the day-to-day running of an embassy.  The Ambassador should be--and usually is--a "talking head" position.  In paricular, the head of a major corporation would be a good choice, since they are familiar with the 'glad handing' and schmoozing that are the Ambassador's stock-in-trade.

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2005, 10:22:46 AM »
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Rip, did you even bother to read that tripe or was it all the Chinese names that made you think you were actually making a point?


If you remember the story, it was returned AFTER the press found out about it. ;)

Just to refresh your memory in case the drugs were really good for you during that time (but please, by all means, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions)

February 1992 Joining 16 other senators, then-Sen. Al Gore, chairman of a Senate subcommittee on science, technology and space, writes a classified letter to Secretary of State James Baker expressing concern that China, to which the Bush administration had granted a waiver permitting the Chinese to launch a U.S. satellite into space, would "gain foreign aerospace technology that would otherwise be unavailable to it."

     October 1992 Condemning the Bush administration's China policy, Mr. Gore, the Democratic Party's vice presidential candidate, fumes, "President Bush is really an incurable patsy for those dictators he sets out to coddle." Bill Clinton, the Democrats' nominee for president, offers this view about U.S.-Chinese relations: "I believe our nation has a higher purpose than to coddle dictators and stand aside from the global movement toward democracy."

     1993 Subjected to intensifying bipartisan congressional pressure, President Clinton, following the determination by U.S. intelligence and the State Department that China had sold missile technology to Pakistan, bars the U.S. aerospace industry in August from using Chinese rockets to launch satellites that the State Department classified as "munitions." One of the companies most affected was Loral Corp. (now known as Loral Space & Communications).
     In the previous six years, according to Federal Election Commission data, Loral chairman and CEO Bernard Schwartz had made less than $100,000 in cumulative political donations, mostly to Senate Democrats. All of his donations from 1987 through 1992 were so-called "hard-money" contributions, regulated and limited by federal law. Mr. Schwartz made his first unregulated "soft-money" contribution to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in May 1993.

     January 1994 After intense lobbying by the U.S. aerospace industry, Mr. Clinton labels three satellites as "civilian," enabling them to circumvent the sanctions he had imposed only five months earlier. To permit the satellites to be launched from Chinese rockets, Mr. Clinton also issues the requisite presidential waivers, a procedure instituted by Mr. Bush after the 1989 Tiananmen massacre.

     June 1994 Mr. Schwartz sends the DNC a $100,000 soft-money contribution, eight times the size of his first soft-money donation in 1993.

     August-September 1994 Mr. Schwartz goes to China, having received (purchased?) a highly coveted slot on Commerce Secretary and former DNC chairman Ron Brown's trade mission. With Mr. Brown's help, Mr. Schwartz uses his Chinese contacts to obtain satellite-transmission rights for a mobile telephone network in China, a deal worth billions. In a Sept. 20 memo to the president, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Harold Ickes, who was directing the Democratic Party's fund-raising from his West Wing office, suggests a presidential follow-up to Mr. Schwartz's lucrative China trip: "In order to raise an additional $3,000,000 to permit the [DNC] to produce and air generic tv/radio spots as soon as Congress adjourns," Mr. Ickes advises the president to call Mr. Schwartz and invite him and others to a White House breakfast "to impress them with the need to raise $3,000,000 within the next two weeks."

     October-December 1994 President Clinton in early October lifts the sanctions he had imposed on China for selling missile technology to Pakistan, a major victory for the aerospace industry. At about the same time, Mr. Ickes informs the president in a memo that Mr. Schwartz "is prepared to do anything he can for the administration." As it turned out, he had some needs of his own. Lifting the sanctions did not satiate the aerospace industry. Mr. Schwartz also wanted to change the chief licensing authority for satellite exports from the State Department, whose primary interests include protecting U.S. national security and promoting nonproliferation, to Ron Brown's Commerce Department, whose primary interest was promoting the sale of U.S. goods. The dispute centered on State's inclusion of satellites on its "munitions list." This made it more difficult to export satellites and subjected them to the periodic sanctions (1991 and 1993) against China that severely restricted the sale of military goods. Meanwhile, in a seemingly unrelated development, Johnny Chung, a recently bankrupted California entrepreneur, joins the titans of soft money, giving the Democrats nearly $100,000 between August and December, 1994.

     January-September 1995 Mr. Schwartz signs a letter to the president advocating the shift of satellite-export responsibility from State to Commerce. In April, to address the issue, Secretary of State Warren Christopher establishes an interagency task force, including the Commerce Department, the Defense Department, the CIA and the National Security Agency (NSA). From April through September, while the issue is being examined, Mr. Schwartz accelerates his soft-money donations to the Democratic Party, topping $140,000. Meanwhile, Chung delivers another $175,000 to the DNC.

     October 1995 Agreeing with intelligence agencies, the Pentagon and his own advisers, Secretary Christopher decides to keep the satellites on his department's "munitions list." Commerce appeals.

     February 6, 1996 Despite reports in January that China continued to export nuclear technology to Pakistan and missiles to Iran, President Clinton signs waivers for four satellite launches by Chinese rockets. On the same day, Wang Jun, who owns a huge stake in a Hong Kong satellite company, meets with Ron Brown. That night, he attends one of the notorious White House coffees. Beyond his interest in satellites, Mr. Wang is a Chinese arms dealer and the son of one of China's most reactionary leaders, the late Wang Zhen, who advocated the massacre at Tiananmen. As it happens, another of Mr. Wang's companies was suspected of brokering cruise missiles to Iran. For 15 months before Mr. Wang's Washington visit, his company was also the subject of a massive probe by the U.S. Customs Service, which identified the firm as a major supplier of 2,000 AK-47 automatic weapons that were to be smuggled and delivered to drug lords and gangs operating in the United States.
     February 15, 1996 One of China's rockets crashes, destroying a $200 million Loral satellite.

     March 1996 During the same week that China belligerently fires ballistic missiles into Taiwanese waters to bully the island during its democratic elections, Mr. Clinton officially reverses Secretary Christopher's October decision and awards authority over satellite-export licensing to Commerce. Between October 1995 and March 1996, while the President was considering reversing Mr. Christopher, Mr. Schwartz donates more than $150,000 to the Democratic Party. Between April and December 1996 -- that is, after the reversal -- he donates another $300,000, making him the Democrats' largest individual soft-money donor (more than $600,000) during the 1995-96 cycle.

     April-May 1996 A commission headed by Loral reviews the rocket crash and determines it was caused by a flaw in the rocket's flight-control system. Without getting the report vetted by the federal government to prevent the unauthorized transfer of technology dealing with missile guidance and control systems, the review commission shares its 200-plus page report with the Chinese. Because the same Chinese company produces both strategic nuclear missiles and space-launch missiles, improvements in the guidance and control systems of China's space-launch rockets are easily transferable to its strategic nuclear-missile program. Moreover, according to a recent CIA report, China has aimed 13 of its 18 nuclear-tipped strategic missiles at the United States.

     Summer 1996 Liu Chaoying, a lieutenant colonel in the People's Liberation Army, funnels $300,000 to Chung from Chinese military intelligence. Ms. Liu is also an aerospace executive at firms sanctioned by the United States in 1991 and 1993 for providing missile technology to Pakistan. And she is the daughter of China's then-highest-ranking general, who was responsible for obtaining Western technology to modernize China's armed forces. According to Chung, Ms. Liu told him to contribute the money to the Democratic Party. In July Chung gave the DNC $45,000, which gained him entrance to two Hollywood fund-raisers, including one where his guest, Ms. Liu, was photographed with the president. Chung's firm paid out another $35,000 to the Democrats in September, bringing his three-year total to $366,000.

     November 5, 1996 On the day of his reelection, the Clinton administration finally publishes the regulations governing the March decision on satellite export-licensing. The regulations, which were due in April, arrived more than 200 days late, safely after the president's reelection.

     1997 The Pentagon issues a classified report in May analyzing the effect of the Loral-led review commission's unauthorized release to China of its report on the crash of the Chinese rocket. "United States national security has been harmed," the Pentagon concluded, by the improvement in China's missile capabilities that the review report made possible. The Pentagon's analysis prompted a criminal investigation by the U.S. Customs Service and the Justice Department.
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