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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2005, 10:27:33 AM »
Also in 1997, the DNC, admitting it could not vouch for the source of Chung's donations, is forced to return the $366,000 he had contributed. No problem. Mr. Schwartz, even as his firm was being investigated by a federal grand jury, shovels another $366,000 into Democratic coffers, in effect underwriting the Chung refund.

     February 1998 Despite intense opposition from the Justice Department, which was worried its investigation into Loral would be compromised, Mr. Clinton gives permission to Loral to officially transfer essentially the same missile expertise to China that the company is being criminally investigated for giving to China without authorization in 1996. Mr. Clinton's February waiver calls the deal "in the national interest." Meanwhile, Mr. Schwartz sends the DNC another $55,000 during the first three months of this year.

May 1998 Loral issues a statement declaring, "No political favors or benefits of any kind were requested or extended, directly or indirectly, by any means whatever." On May 17, President Clinton asserts, "All the foreign-policy decisions we made were based on what we believed -- I and the rest of my administration -- were in the best interests of the American people."

     Mr. Clinton's statement would seem to ignore the 1995 agreement among the State and Defense Departments, the CIA and the NSA to keep satellite-export-licensing authority within the State Department, a decision Mr. Clinton reversed. It ignores the vigorous opposition of his own Justice Department to the controversial waiver he granted Loral this year. It ignores the Pentagon's 1997 report concluding that U.S. national security was harmed by technology Loral transferred in 1996, a technology transfer that Mr. Clinton, in effect, retroactively approved in 1998, jeopardizing a Justice Department criminal investigation of Loral.

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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2005, 10:34:00 AM »
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If you remember the story, it was returned AFTER the press found out about it. ;)
Just like the Bush Administration admitting Karl Rove leaked the name of a CIA operative in a jealous hissy fit? Aaah...I get it now.;)

News Flash for Rip..... They're all corrupt.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2005, 10:38:42 AM »
dang Bush!!

lol lol lol

you guys ARE desperate ain't ya?
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2005, 11:07:29 AM »
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Like I said in the beginning I know both sides have done it. What is different is to me is 1 we are at "war" and need competent people in are higher levels of government and 2 Bush says stuff like this


Ahem... the "war on terror" has been downgraded to the "global struggle against extremism".

Try to keep up. ;)
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2005, 12:49:07 PM »
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News Flash for Rip..... They're all corrupt.


I won't disagree with you there, its just that some are more corrupt, and have a worse sense of Gov't (See Socialist) than others.

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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2005, 03:51:55 PM »
Once again a whole pile of words adding up to this....

Loral was in trouble NOT for giving technology to China, but for publishing a report on why a Chinese rocket failed.

Ya'll need to get on with your lives and accept the fact that Clinton was the most successful politician of the 20th century.

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2005, 03:54:29 PM »
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Ahem... the "war on terror" has been downgraded to the "global struggle against extremism".

Try to keep up. ;)


lol I saw that the other day but with 150,000 troops in Iraq and 20,000ish in Afghanistan I still am foolish enough to call it a war. lol

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2005, 03:58:13 PM »
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I won't disagree with you there, its just that some are more corrupt, and have a worse sense of Gov't (See Socialist) than others.


Maybe you just choose to ignore this part but it was relevant to the situation and glad you admit that its business as usual in washington.

"After years of false statements and empty promises, it's time for big changes in Washington," Bush said. "We need a president who will finally stand up and fight against the lies and corruption. It's time to renew the faith the people once had in the White House. If elected, I pledge to usher in a new era of integrity inside the Oval Office."

Bush told the crowd that, if given the opportunity, he would work to reestablish the goodwill of the American people "from the very first hour of the very first day" of his second term.

"The people have spoken," Bush said. "They said they want change. They said it's time to clean up Washington. They're tired of politics as usual. They're tired of the pursuit of self-interest that has gripped Washington. They want to see an end to partisan bickering and closed-door decision-making. If I'm elected, I'll make sure that the American people can once again place their trust in the White House."


Promises to clean up but its just as dirty. All that smack about honor and integrity is a bunch of BS.

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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2005, 03:01:47 AM »
This is exactly what I mean by shoddy diplomacy.

Uzbekistan formally evicted the United States yesterday from a military base that has served as a hub for combat and humanitarian missions to Afghanistan since shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Pentagon and State Department officials said yesterday.

In a highly unusual move, the notice of eviction from Karshi-Khanabad air base, known as K2, was delivered by a courier from the Uzbek Foreign Ministry to the U.S. Embassy in Tashkent, said a senior U.S. administration official involved in Central Asia policy. The message did not give a reason. Uzbekistan will give the United States 180 days to move aircraft, personnel and equipment, U.S. officials said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8761926/

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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2005, 10:20:47 AM »
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This is exactly what I mean by shoddy diplomacy.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8761926/


Well maybe Bush did mess up, he appointed a career diplomat. And he looks like a Lib OMG !!!!

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Jon Purnell presented his credentials as U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Uzbekistan on January 28, 2004.

He is a career member of the Senior Foreign Service. His most recent assignment was as Minister Counselor for Political Affairs at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow. He has also served as a Senior Inspector in the State Department’s Office of the Inspector General (2001-2002) and, prior to that assignment, as Deputy to the Secretary’s Acting Special Adviser for the Newly Independent States. Mr. Purnell’s overseas postings have included Almaty, Kazakhstan, where he was Deputy Chief of Mission from 1997-2000 and St. Petersburg, Russia, where he was Deputy Principal Officer at the U.S. Consulate General (1989-1992). He also worked in Vienna, Austria as a member of the U.S. conventional arms control delegation (1988-1989) and in Monrovia, Liberia (1980-1981). He first worked in Moscow from 1982-1984.

Mr. Purnell’s assignments in Washington have focussed on Russia and Ukraine. He was Director of the State Department’s Office of Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova from 1993-1996 and worked as special assistant to Ambassador Jack Matlock on the National Security Council in 1986. Mr. Purnell has received the Department of State’s Superior Honor Award and Meritorious Honor Award.

Prior to joining the State Department, Mr. Purnell worked for the Massachusetts Audubon Society as a specialist in environmental education. He maintains a strong interest in environmental issues.

Mr. Purnell is a native of Norwood, Massachusetts. He graduated from Norwood High School in 1966. He continued his education at Brown University, where he received his Bachelor’s degree in European History in 1970. He earned a Master’s degree in Soviet Studies at Harvard University in 1973.

Mr. Purnell has three children.

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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2005, 11:37:20 AM »
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Promises to clean up but its just as dirty. All that smack about honor and integrity is a bunch of BS.
Bingo.
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2005, 03:41:19 PM »
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Well, there is a difference, giving up US missile guidence technology for campaign donations from China is border-line treason. At least Bush has the sense not to do that.


Border line?

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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2005, 12:52:40 AM »
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This is exactly what I mean by shoddy diplomacy.

Uzbekistan formally evicted the United States yesterday from a military base that has served as a hub for combat and humanitarian missions to Afghanistan since shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Pentagon and State Department officials said yesterday.

In a highly unusual move, the notice of eviction from Karshi-Khanabad air base, known as K2, was delivered by a courier from the Uzbek Foreign Ministry to the U.S. Embassy in Tashkent, said a senior U.S. administration official involved in Central Asia policy. The message did not give a reason. Uzbekistan will give the United States 180 days to move aircraft, personnel and equipment, U.S. officials said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8761926/


I'm not surprised to read that.

You guys are getting the boot and the welcome mat is going being put out for china. Chinese influence in central asia is rapidly growing and they dont wont the US stepping on their toes, so goodbye uncle sam.

I condensed it a little, well alot actually, but that's basicaly what I read in a local newspaper several weeks ago.


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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2005, 01:04:29 AM »
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I'm not surprised to read that.

You guys are getting the boot and the welcome mat is going being put out for china. Chinese influence in central asia is rapidly growing and they dont wont the US stepping on their toes, so goodbye uncle sam.

I condensed it a little, well alot actually, but that's basicaly what I read in a local newspaper several weeks ago.


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That would be interesting to see China move in. Hadnt considered it but does sound feasible.

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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2005, 12:53:28 PM »
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That would be interesting to see China move in. Hadnt considered it but does sound feasible.


Its more likley they asked the US to leave over this BBC

Uzbekistan's authoritarian President, Islam Karimov, initially courted Washington as a counter-balance to the traditional regional power, Russia.

But relations have plummeted since the Andijan killings in May, when Uzbek troops fired into crowds of demonstrators to crush an anti-government protest.

The Uzbek authorities restricted flights into Karshi-Khanabad after the US backed calls for an independent inquiry into the incident, described as a "massacre" by aid agency Human Rights Watch.

The eviction notice from the Uzbek government came days before a senior US official was to travel to Tashkent for talks about Andijan, human rights and political reform, according to The New York Times.

"To say that the US leadership and the Uzbek leadership don't see eye-to-eye with one another today is an understatement," Martha Brill Olcott, a Central Asian expert with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told the US press.
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So lets review..
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This is exactly what I mean by shoddy diplomacy.

Uzbekistan formally evicted the United States yesterday from a military base that has served as a hub for combat and humanitarian missions to Afghanistan since shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Pentagon and State Department officials said yesterday.

In a highly unusual move, the notice of eviction from Karshi-Khanabad air base, known as K2, was delivered by a courier from the Uzbek Foreign Ministry to the U.S. Embassy in Tashkent, said a senior U.S. administration official involved in Central Asia policy. The message did not give a reason. Uzbekistan will give the United States 180 days to move aircraft, personnel and equipment, U.S. officials said.


How is this tied to Bush and his shoddy diplomats?
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