Author Topic: Good Legislation, Win for Gun Makers (Read 915 times)

Gunslinger · « **on:** July 29, 2005, 07:13:26 PM »

I Saw this in the news today and was very elated. It passed on the senate 65-31 so Teddy Kennedy can blame republicans all he wants but this IS a good bill. The fact that somone wants to sue Gun Makers/dealers out of existence to enforce gun control is complete idiocy if you ask me. The CRIMINAL should be punished not the company that legally makes a legal product.

no one advocates protection for wrongfull usage from the criminal NORE from dealers that break the law in unlawfull sales.

here's the scoop:

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Senate votes to shield gun makers from lawsuits
Criminals, not manufacturers, will face being sued for gun-related damages

The Associated Press
Updated: 5:58 p.m. ET July 29, 2005

WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Friday to shield firearms manufacturers, dealers and importers from lawsuits brought by victims of gun crimes, a measure opponents said had been ordered up by the gun lobby.

The 65-31 vote passed a bill that supporters said protects the industry from financial disaster and bankruptcy caused by damage lawsuits.

"This bill says go after the criminal, don't go after the law-abiding gun manufacturer or the law-abiding gun seller," said bill sponsor Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho.

But Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and other opponents said the gun industry needs no such special protection. "This bill has one motivation — payback by the Bush administration and the Republican leadership of the Congress to the powerful special interest of the National Rifle Association," he said.

POSTER NOTE: Typical out of touch Teddy

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., yanked similar legislation from debate last year when Democrats successfully attached an extension of the ban on assault-style weapons and the NRA dropped its support.

Republicans picked up four more Senate seats in last November's election, emboldening gun rights supporters to try again.

The House passed a similar bill last year but has taken no action on it this year.

Democrats won inclusion this year of a new requirement that each handgun be sold with a separate child safety or locking device, unless purchased by government officials or police officers. Any violation could be punished by the suspension of a dealer's license, a $10,000 fine, or both.

Gunmakers still face product liability
Craig said the bill does not block gunmakers and dealers from facing product liability, negligence or breach of contract suits.

Its opponents, however, say the bill effectively exempts gun manufacturers from liability. They also say dealers sometimes let weapons get into the hands of people the law says shouldn't have them.

Democrats tried and lost attempts to insert special provisions in the legislation that would let children and police retain the right to sue, along with another amendment that would have let individuals but not municipalities retain the right to sue.

"Should those whose actions lead to the death or injury of a child get a free pass?" asked Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., who sponsored one amendment.

Supporters of the liability bill said the changes would have gutted the bill.

The Senate also brushed aside a Kennedy amendment that would have banned hollow-tipped, so-called "cop killer" bullets.

The gun industry gave 88 percent of its campaign contributions, or $1.2 million, to Republicans in the 2004 election cycle. Gun control advocates, meanwhile, gave 98 percent of their contributions, or $93,700, to Democrats during that election, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

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Masherbrum · « **Reply #1 on:** July 29, 2005, 07:33:19 PM »

"This bill says go after the criminal, don't go after the law-abiding gun manufacturer or the law-abiding gun seller," said bill sponsor Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho.

Such true words you will RARELY hear a Democratic speak.

Karaya

lazs2 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2005, 09:07:57 AM »

yep... before the election.. on this BB... the kerrie women all shrilled out to me about how I was being paranoid and that the democrats weren't "after your guns"..

look how this shakes out guys... the democrats tried in every way and still do try to destroy gun rights for for hundreds of millions of people in this country while they themselves live in guarded, gated houses and armored limmos with machine pistol toting body guards.

Seem that they are more important than the average little guy..

When we have democrats in power we lose our gun rights and our rights as men to decide what is dangerous or not... It is like moving back in with your mom when you vote democrat..

seatbelts, gun control, no school vouchers, no Hot Rods, helmets, mandatory life jackets in the rivers and lakes, no smoking laws... it goes on and on.... these are the things that democrats do to you. Grow a pair and throw the ladies out of office..

and get rid of that soused out murderous broke down molester ted kennedy while your at it.... sheesh... what an embarassment.

my guns have killed less people than ted kennedys car.

lazs

Gunslinger · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2005, 11:16:57 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
my guns have killed less people than ted kennedys car.

lazs

Now THAT is sig material if I've ever heard it. Truer words have never been spoken Laz

Hangtime · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2005, 11:36:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
"This bill says go after the criminal, don't go after the law-abiding gun manufacturer or the law-abiding gun seller," said bill sponsor Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho.

Such true words you will RARELY hear a Democratic speak.

Karaya

Or a Republican for that matter. Gun legislation shouldn't be a partisan issue.

Henh..

How about a bumper sticker:

ygsmilo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2005, 12:15:53 PM »

We never would have had to worry about stuff like this if women had never been give the right to vote.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2005, 01:59:50 PM »

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Originally posted by ygsmilo
We never would have had to worry about stuff like this if women had never been give the right to vote.

really, It's comments like yours that make people reguard those that fight for the 2nd amendment as "Gun Nuts".

T

Hawklore · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2005, 02:23:02 PM »

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Dago · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2005, 03:53:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
really, It's comments like yours that make people reguard those that fight for the 2nd amendment as "Gun Nuts".

T

Well, I thought it was funny.

dago

lazs2 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2005, 05:50:40 PM »

well... you spend most of your growing up years looking to get out from under the feminine rule of your mom and then...

some of you, inexplicably, allow women to vote and vote for democrats.

Hang..It is indeed a partisan issue... You can easily see how the forces for and against 2nd ammendment rights are alligned... you have the rabid anti gun democrats and their ball less cronies on one side of the fence and the republicans on the other... if the right to own firearms or the right to live with risk is what you vote on then you have to make the black and white deciscion..

You either vote with the women or vote with the men.

Not all women are nannies and not all men are.... men... but we generalize and it is 90% accurate... just as we generalize about brits even tho seagoon and cueball are so different.. that doesn't mean I want to take a chance and open up the floodgates and let a bunch of socialists in.

lazs

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2005, 05:55:54 PM »

So laz, what do you make of the fact that the four on Mount Rushmore never won the soccer mom vote?

lazs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2005, 06:30:36 PM »

What do you make of it? It seems obvious to me.

Back to this law tho.. this is extremely good news..

the fact that it was becoming possible to sue the gun industry out of existence with nonsense frivolous lawsuits was soros and handgun control inc and the brady bunchs best shot at taking away our rights... if we don't have any to buy then that is a good start in their mind.

they took a cue from the destruction of the private plane industry and how it was ruined by frivolous lawsuits...

Even tho some claim this protection for the gun industry is a first.... "unprecidented" it is not... the private plane industry was decimated by frivolous lawsuits and only a bill that protected them from such lawsuits has gotten them back off their knees and back into the marketplace.

So... where do you stand you gotta ask? with the men or...

with the womanly socialists and democrats and lawyers and the foreigner billionares like george soros and the UN and the shrill harpies of the brady bunch who don't know which end of a gun is the dangerous one and don't want anyone else to either.

we need more laws to protect people from frivolous lawsuits... not more nannies and more bloodsucking lawyers.

lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2005, 06:54:39 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

Hang..It is indeed a partisan issue... lazs

Yeah. But shouldn't be.

rat bastards on both sides of the asile... and yup, democrats seem to have a lotta varmit features.

Gun Control, followed by Total Control

KBall · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2005, 07:11:21 PM »

I find it rather amusing that as anti-gun as Feinstein is. As much finger wagging as she does. That she didn't even VOTE! on this bill. A person would think that this would have been important to her.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219

KBall · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2005, 07:17:03 PM »

I salute the 14 Democrats that voted "yes" for this bill.