Author Topic: Question for the boards and AH.... (Read 1860 times)

Paintbrush · « **Reply #45 on:** August 01, 2005, 01:50:39 PM »

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Quite simply it is that your are trying to unlearn very bad habits from AW. You could pull the stick to max deflection at any time.

I know there is a lot of truth in that.

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Why do you view red outs and black outs as unnecessary? The physical limits of the pilots are absolutely crucial to how air combat works.

Because, as this is not real life and only a flight simulator, they are unnecessary. It really just boils down to a matter of preference.

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You say you don't have much time, could you be more specific? How much time do you have per week? Per sitting? That might make it easier for us to suggest a course of action.

Well. I'll just put it this way, at the current rate, I will still be getting my butt kicked this time next year.

Iceman24 · « **Reply #46 on:** August 01, 2005, 01:56:00 PM »

Thats exaqctly it Paintbrush, I had the same problems when I 1st started coming from oldscool airwaarior days, my biggest problem when I first started out was keeping the plane fast or keeping my alt to save my E up... i would simply be maneuvering wayyy too much all the time instead of planning an attack route out in my head i would just simply start jerking the stick around until I got lucky and was pointed at an enemy, i could care less at that point if i was on his 6 or if it was a headon lol But I didn't know anything about actual aircombat maneuvers ( ACM's ) so that is all i knew, point and shoot... After about 4 months of messing around and trying to figure things out on my own I went and hooked up new squad that has a bunch of awesome if not the best P38 pilots in the game... 479th Raiders and they taught me how to fly, i know about all the planes maneuvers etc.. but my aim sux so its holding me back lol... when i started all I would do was bomber missions because thats all i knew, but once i figured out the fighter pilot side of it, it opened up a whole new game. BEST ADVICE I COULD EVER GIVE TO ANY NEW PLAYER OR OLD PLAYER HAVING PROBLEMS IS GET A TRAINER ... makes the game sooo much funner trust me

Karnak · « **Reply #47 on:** August 01, 2005, 01:58:15 PM »

Well, that isn't too terribly specific.

What aircraft do you like? Which do you choose when you do fly? What do you not like? Are you an aggressive player, or do you preffer a safer, boom and zoom style?

A good way to start again is to pick an easy to fly fighter, even if it doesn't get you a lot of kills or kill oportunities, that fits in your prefered style.

For example the A6M5b or Spitfire Mk V are good starting dogfighters, the A6M5 is a bit more forgiving and the Spitfire is a bit more lethal. For boom and zoom the La-7, as much as I dislike it, is a good starter because it can accelerate and manuever well in addition. The P-51D is a good choice too.

Paintbrush · « **Reply #48 on:** August 01, 2005, 02:13:56 PM »

I guess Iceman really nailed it. I still prefer the turn and burn, yank and bank type of dog fighting. Screw the blackouts. I just want to get on your six and pump led up your tail pipe. Then return for a safe and quick landing. It's just really hard for me to take the time to get this FR down.

Karnak, I like the Ki84 (was my favorite plane in AW) It's a little different here but I still like it here. I also like the spit 5. I never cared much for the boom and zoom plains like the 51's and 47's. I like to get in the fray and have it out, without worrying about running into trees or being rammed by another plane.

Iceman24 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 01, 2005, 02:17:39 PM »

For boom and zoom the La-7, as much as I dislike it, is a good starter because it can accelerate and manuever well in addition

OMG KARNAK NOOOOOOO
please don't tell the new guys to fly lala's lol

lol just kiddin man just thought someone should give u crap for that, it is a good plane for a starter to use (as well as aces), i would prefer em start with the spit 5, just to learn gunnery in... I started out flying corsairs lol no wonder my flying is messed up lol

Iceman24 · « **Reply #50 on:** August 01, 2005, 02:24:12 PM »

I like to get in the fray and have it out, without worrying about running into trees or being rammed by another plane.

oh amen brother don't we all... only problem is that in combat there were actually other planes and trees to hit lol and i'm sure they had the head on pilots too... Thats why if I want a good fight I go to the DA, get away from all the HO's and rammers... still gotta worry about trees tho...

REP0MAN · « **Reply #51 on:** August 01, 2005, 02:44:58 PM »

Lol Schatzi......I still found a way to hit a tree.....

Paint brush. In my humble opinion, and I do not mean for you to take offense to this....but if getting in the air is a problem....then I think ACM is way over your head. Learning how to ride the bike before you jump on and try to win the Tour D' France is a little far fetched don't you think?

I play this game for the realism. I am a pilot in real life and know what it 'feels' like to experience the things you dont like. It just adds to my experience as I can recall that feeling from memory. I also play this game for the comradery (<--spelling?) and the great community it has. The same people trying to help you. There are some absolutely great pilots in here that I get shot down by every night. I love it. Its part of the game. But you dont win the race by changing the rules in your favor.

Wow...even got Hi-Tech in on this one, great job. Thats like God answering a question from us as to why we have to have gravity....

Karnak · « **Reply #52 on:** August 01, 2005, 03:02:16 PM »

Paintbrush,

Ok, the Ki-84. It is a great fighter in AH, one of the best. It is one of the two fighters that I fly.

The thing about the Ki-84, and why I didn't mention it in the fighters I listed, is that to get the most out of it you need to turn off even more of the assistance. The Ki-84 is like an advanvced Spitfire in that it has more potential, but it takes more work to get that potential out. If you can get some of that potential out of it though, it is the premier brawler in AH.

If you want to learn the Ki-84 you'll need to learn to fly without combat trim. Combat trim tries to keep an aircraft trimmed for level flight at whatever speed the aircraft is going and in the Ki-84 that means that it trims heavily nose down as the speed increases. Once trimmed like that the Ki-84's already mediocre high speed elevator authority becomes worse, so bad that you can't even pull a blackout at 350mph. And that is a bad thing. With Combat Trim off and trim tabs all centered I can pull a blackout well past 400mph in it, and if I trim for nose up I can do even better than that. That one thing pretty much fixes the Ki-84's elevator authority in the speed range it should be fighting in.

Another thing to get used to are the combat flaps. They aren't quite the same as US combat flaps in that they don't deploy at 250mph, but once you get down to 168mph and get them out only a A6M, Hurri or Spitfire will out turn you, and none of those come close to matching the Ki-84's engine power. If you go into a tight spiraling climb almost nothing can get a shot on you.

The Ki-84's WEP is also special. US, RAF, VVS, other Japanese and early German fighters have 5 minutes of WEP and a 10 minute cooldown before it is fresh again. Other German fighters have 10 minutes of WEP. The Ki-84 has 1 minute 30 seconds of WEP, but only a 45 second cooldown. This allows the Ki-84 to burn WEP a lot more aggressively than any other fighter can afford.

If you like, let me know when you are available and I'll join you in the TA and practice some with you. Others that know a lot about the Ki-84 that I know can sometimes be found in the TA are Widewing and, I think, Wilbus.

GunnerCAF · « **Reply #53 on:** August 01, 2005, 03:03:54 PM »

Paintbrush,

Just stick with it for a while. You will find out why things like black out, red out, sun glare, running into others are part of the game. Remember, everyone else is dealing with these, and you can use them to your advantage.

There is a long learning cure, and I think that is why I still enjoy the game after 10 years of AW and AH.

Gunner

Paintbrush · « **Reply #54 on:** August 02, 2005, 03:45:50 AM »

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Paint brush. In my humble opinion, and I do not mean for you to take offense to this....but if getting in the air is a problem....then I think ACM is way over your head.

I don't take offense to that statement. However, if I do decide to take the time to get help, practice and learn the tweeks of the game, I'm going to hunt your prettythang down. Also, your comments coupled with the fact that you're a pilot in real life is no surprise to me. But, (if and when), it won't help you one bit as you will be learning the art of bailing, and take offs, all over again.

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The thing about the Ki-84, and why I didn't mention it in the fighters I listed, is that to get the most out of it you need to turn off even more of the assistance.

Karnak, I love the KI84 and would love to learn to fly it better. You spoke my mind sort of in your last post. I can see it's potential but I can't seem to get it down. I never thought about the combat trim. I assume this is what you meant by turning off even more of the assistance.

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If you like, let me know when you are available and I'll join you in the TA and practice some with you. Others that know a lot about the Ki-84 that I know can sometimes be found in the TA are Widewing and, I think, Wilbus.

Thanks for the advice and I may take you up on your offer. I might have to swallow a little pride but I might just do it. I was a really good pilot in AW. It's just hard to start all over again. You think Wilbus will pull out the lead he put in my prettythang a couple of days ago?

Dang he's good. Reminds me of me and my KI in AW.

Paintbrush · « **Reply #55 on:** August 02, 2005, 04:12:06 AM »

GunnerCAF, I'll try to stick with it.

After the last half of this thread I'm already getting to like the camaraderie. There's a lot of cool people playing this game, and it's a great game no doubt.

I just wish I didn't have to......... well, bla bla bla. I'm sure my soap box is getting tireing by now, so I'll get off it.

Thanks for a very nice responce Gunner.

Karnak · « **Reply #56 on:** August 02, 2005, 10:25:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Paintbrush
Karnak, I love the KI84 and would love to learn to fly it better. You spoke my mind sort of in your last post. I can see it's potential but I can't seem to get it down. I never thought about the combat trim. I assume this is what you meant by turning off even more of the assistance.

Yes, I meant the combat trim and I didn't think of it either. Widewing let me know about that. And the effect on the Ki-84 is what convinced me to turn it off for good. Flying without it is a little less convienient, but in the end the aircraft usually respond better without it.

Iceman24 · « **Reply #57 on:** August 02, 2005, 10:56:31 AM »

combat trim messes every plane up, only time i use it is if I just need a quick trim and then I turn it off real quick and adjust from there... Turn off that stall limiter and turn off those tracers and turn off that combat trim, I still leave my auto takeoff on but never use it if im launching from a cv as it could be turning... Just my personal preferances.... If you turn off your tracers you will start to memorize where your shots should land depending on lead, plus the enemy wont be able to tell your shooting at them until you hit them

I never use tracers, trust me it helps allot, makes u mentally memorize the pathe of your cone of fire

Iceman24 · « **Reply #58 on:** August 02, 2005, 11:02:29 AM »

oh and dude if you ever need any basic flying lessons or basic ACM lessons ( air combat maneuvers ) such as split S's yoyo's immelmans... sttuff like that I would be glad to show u a few things, and if you ever need to know anything about bombing im the man... just dont up em much anymore, i'll show u how to land a Lancaster on a cv back it up reload and launch again

its always fun to do because everyone around the cv will watch just to see if you can do it... if you want you can just .join me on a few flights in the MA for bombing and we can just go to the DA for dogfighting, I fly bishops... my home email is iceman24@netzero.com usually on around 6:00pm-12:00 central, I may not be the best stick, but I can show you anything about basic ACM's as well as anything about bombing, dive or in heavy flat bombers, sometimes its best just to fly a few sorties with people and learn the ways of the game... my email at work is debearden@siegling-us.com

Iceman24 · « **Reply #59 on:** August 02, 2005, 11:04:58 AM »

also if you wanna check out allot of cool vids that teach the maneuvers go to our squad website http://479.jasminemarie.com
allot of cool vids on there, just go to download section or PJ univerity, lots of good articles, there based on flying P38's but you can use them to apply to any fighter