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Offline Rafe35

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Jet Bursts Into Flames on Landing in Toronto
« on: August 02, 2005, 04:08:39 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2005, 04:16:50 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2005, 04:17:52 PM »
The jet burst into flames after running off the end of the runway after landing in heavy rain.

I'm sure we'll eventually get an update that further clarifies it as something like "jet bursts into flames after running into obstacle (or through ditch) after running off the end of the runway during a thunderstorm."

And then we'll get a body count.

And someday maybe we'll hear if the jet had a malfunction such as the brakes failing or the thrust reversers not working, or if the pilot goofed by landing long, landing too fast, landing with the plane in an improper configuration, or not properly applying short/wet field landing procedures.

And maybe we'll get lucky and hear about the lawsuit or settlement.  So why is anyone reading about it here instead of a news site?
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2005, 05:14:01 PM »
Looks like they all survived by reports coming out now.

Oh, and it ran into a gully eagl. :p
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2005, 05:17:29 PM »
Interesting comment in the CNN report:

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One passenger, Olivier Dubos told reporters: "We had absolutely no insight or hint that the landing would be difficult. Power went out just before we landed...we thought it had to do with the rain."

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2005, 05:28:37 PM »
Maybe someone smart like Ripsnort can reply, but here is a guess. Compressor fire. So hydraulic lines get burst. Why aircraft dont have hydraulic-off brakes is beyond me.

Like trucks (which are air-off.) Meaning that springs hold the brakes on, and if the air system fails, or the lines to the trailer break or leak......the brakes are applied.

Anyway, I have been in a few Airbus aircraft

and everything is in the arse end...comp, electrical head...everything.

If that compressor got popped....
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2005, 05:56:20 PM »
IMO too early to be guessing Loser.

First reports say the weather was pretty bad; rain, hail, lighting strikes near (on?) the field. Generally, most Operations Specifications would have the Captain hold away from the field for a while if there was a thunderstorm over the field generating that sort of weather.

As for brakes, redundancy is built into the systems. A single failure essentially cannot make all the brakes inoperative.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2005, 06:18:04 PM »
Lightning is the least of worries in a thunderstorm for aviating, as far as I can tell.  It's the wind shear, sudden gusts and whatnot that drop you out of the sky or mess with your landing distances and so on.  

...but I'm a young'n pilot, I'm sure folks like Golfer should be able to say whether I'm right about that.
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2005, 06:25:44 PM »
I hope the passengers realy did all get out OK!
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2005, 06:33:28 PM »
Its confirmed... all are ok, just minor injuries :)
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2005, 06:37:06 PM »
Then I expect for those guys thats all thats realy important.

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2005, 07:13:24 PM »
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Lightning is the least of worries in a thunderstorm for aviating,


Just about every major US airline has something like this in its Operations Specifications. This example is from the USAF but the sentiment is widespread throughout the aviation community.

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5.23.4. (Added) Remain at least 10 NM away from thunderstorms and lightning during enroute flight operations. Do not take off from or fly an approach or landing at a field if a thunderstorm or lightning is within 10 NM of the field or the intended flight path. If lightning is reported at or within five NM, flightline operations will cease. 34thOperations Group Commander (34 OG/CC) may grant approval for flight operations when a thunderstorm or lightning is between 5 NM and 10 NM as long as such weather is not expected to move towards the airfield and is not producing local effects.


Note the part in bold; as I said, just about every major US airline has a rule similar to that.
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2005, 08:15:47 PM »
Today at 4 pm I called weather briefing for a weather report as I was flying from Sudbury to Collingwood which is north of Toronto about 100 nm.

I was suprised at how the guy on the other end was being so careful to warn me about thunderstorms in the area as well as asking for me to file a flight plan.

I had no idea about the plane crash and my flight was uneventful although I saw a pretty big thunder head south when I landed. I heard a couple of commercial flights ask about the airports status which was strange as well. Later when I landed I found out what happened and was totally shocked. I am glad no one was hurt.
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2005, 09:25:25 PM »
The storm cell wasn't that bad..mostly heavy rain and some lightning...im guess poor visibility on final caused the pilot to overshoot...He got it down though and everyone lived.

scary the O2 masks didn't deploy.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2005, 09:36:32 PM »
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scary the O2 masks didn't deploy.


Why would they? There wasnt any loss of cabin pressure since they were on the ground and fire is a big enuff problem without filling the cabin with O2.

These airbuses seem to crash or ditch a lot, but luckily few people get killed.
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