Bring back the Camaro?

[airbumba]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Might have to go back to working for the railroad at the GM plant.    

Wait.  Less pay...........have to leave Hawaii and go back to places where its colder than a well-diggers butt in the winter and hotter than the pits of hell in the summer............get to drive new Camaros around................

Nah.  I'll stay here and drive an old Mustang.  

I'd drive a pinto if it meant living in Hawai. A pinto with a full tank.

That's a funny coincidence SA.  You unloaded cars from the Camaro plant in Ste .Therese? Was it the same company , Gencar or something like that?

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Hey guys, GM ripped off the 2005 Mustang with the 2nd Generation GTO.  

Karaya

PS - Ford trucks are overall the best on the planet.  "Heavy Duty" is NOT Independant Front Suspension, it is a Solid Axle.

The GTO was an Australian Holden years ago. They took the floor pan and moved it around, and put the old Camaro drivetrain in it.

Ford truck front suspension is the worst abomination in the entire light truck industry. The "twin I beam" won't stay lined up more than a month at a time. That's why Ford was FORCED to go straight axle on the "heavy duty" version. GM has a straight axle light truck by the way. The ONLY thing Ford has going for it is the straight axle 4X4 in the Super Duty. GM does need to put a straight axle in the 4x4 3500HD. The Duramax and the 8.1 will both break the front axle.


Ford has the worst automatic truck transmission, and the worst stick shift as well. The E4OD (later known as the 4R100) is the weakest, most unreliable piece of junk ever put between the frame rails of a light truck. It is failure prone and expensive to fix. More than TEN years after it was introduced, it STILL isn't fixed. It's worse than the old GM 700R4 ever was. Don't even think about that piece of junk ZF manual. There's a whole segment of the transmission repair industry dedicated to keeping that junk in some semblance of repair.

The Ford 460 gas engine never could hold a candle to the old 454 Chevy, and that V-10 wasn't any better. And the 8.1 Chevy is in a class by itself in light truck gasoline engines. That V-10 wouldn't even keep up with my old 81 454 and got half the fuel mileage.

You want a diesel? The Duramax is twice what any Powerstroke ever dreamed of being. I've yet to see any Powerstroke that was near as reliable, powerful, or efficient as a Duramax. They did good to keep up with the old 6.5 GM. The 6.5 was nothing to write home about either. It had its share of problems. On the other hand, we put over 300K miles on one, with a 36' enclosed gooseneck trailer behind it. Hard miles, it was never shown any mercy. Never got passed by another stock diesel until the Duramax came out. Couldn't say the same for any of the six Ford Powerstrokes in the bunch.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
The ONLY Camaro worth bringing up is this one:



Now folks, THIS is a Camaro.  This is coming from a loyal Ford owner.   But all other "Camaro's" pale in comparison to the above.

Karaya

The 1969 ZL1 is even better. All aluminum engine with more than 75 more horsepower. Average value today exceeds $500K.

[Lazerus]

One idea of what the next one will look like. GM's not talking about it.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

GM is on crack.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
The ONLY Camaro worth bringing up is this one:



Now folks, THIS is a Camaro.  This is coming from a loyal Ford owner.   But all other "Camaro's" pale in comparison to the above.

Karaya

Yeah, whatever....

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by airbumba
I'd drive a pinto if it meant living in Hawai. A pinto with a full tank.

That's a funny coincidence SA.  You unloaded cars from the Camaro plant in Ste .Therese? Was it the same company , Gencar or something like that?

No, I unloaded in Wentzville, MO.  GM plant there makes the full size vans.  We ran the distribution yard for new GM stuff to Missouri, S. Illinois, part of NE Kansas and SE Iowa.  We looked forward to getting loads from St Therese.  

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts


The GTO was an Australian Holden years ago. They took the floor pan and moved it around, and put the old Camaro drivetrain in it.

Ford truck front suspension is the worst abomination in the entire light truck industry. The "twin I beam" won't stay lined up more than a month at a time. That's why Ford was FORCED to go straight axle on the "heavy duty" version. GM has a straight axle light truck by the way. The ONLY thing Ford has going for it is the straight axle 4X4 in the Super Duty. GM does need to put a straight axle in the 4x4 3500HD. The Duramax and the 8.1 will both break the front axle.


Ford has the worst automatic truck transmission, and the worst stick shift as well. The E4OD (later known as the 4R100) is the weakest, most unreliable piece of junk ever put between the frame rails of a light truck. It is failure prone and expensive to fix. More than TEN years after it was introduced, it STILL isn't fixed. It's worse than the old GM 700R4 ever was. Don't even think about that piece of junk ZF manual. There's a whole segment of the transmission repair industry dedicated to keeping that junk in some semblance of repair.

The Ford 460 gas engine never could hold a candle to the old 454 Chevy, and that V-10 wasn't any better. And the 8.1 Chevy is in a class by itself in light truck gasoline engines. That V-10 wouldn't even keep up with my old 81 454 and got half the fuel mileage.

You want a diesel? The Duramax is twice what any Powerstroke ever dreamed of being. I've yet to see any Powerstroke that was near as reliable, powerful, or efficient as a Duramax. They did good to keep up with the old 6.5 GM. The 6.5 was nothing to write home about either. It had its share of problems. On the other hand, we put over 300K miles on one, with a 36' enclosed gooseneck trailer behind it. Hard miles, it was never shown any mercy. Never got passed by another stock diesel until the Duramax came out. Couldn't say the same for any of the six Ford Powerstrokes in the bunch.

We're not talking F-150 / 1500 comparisons.  I'm talking 250/350 - 2500/3500.  Again "Heavy-Duty" is NOT IFS.  I have YET to see a single "Straight Axle Chevy Truck".   It's easy to see, and they aren't there.  

FWIW, In all of the 4 wheeling I have done, Ford and Toyotas take the beating and keep on wheeling.  Older GM's suck becuase when lifted, the steering box rips off (seen this 3 dozen times AT LEAST).   Powerstroke is better than the Duramax (My uncle works for Allison Transmission HQ in Eagle Creek, IN).  He says the WORST thing to happen to the Allison tranny, is the Duramax.   I just figure, he knows what he is talking about.  

Karaya

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
Yeah, whatever....

Whah!

Karaya

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Anything wrong with the Ford 460?

Hey I have a 1985 F250 Lariat with a 460, and the thing still pulls his heavy load into the daily roofing company business.