Author Topic: BUFF pilots feel left out (Read 4423 times)

Booz · « **Reply #60 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:59:34 PM »

System: Bufguy landed xxx,xxx dmg & 2 kills in B-24J of *squad1*

works for jabos too

EagleEyes · « **Reply #61 on:** August 03, 2005, 06:08:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
Put it in perspective. Not many of the AH buffs are launching from rear bases, flying at 25-30K for 8-10 hours before they drop and then fighting their way home. They aren't facing high alt flak or heavy fighter attacks etc. Not much problem with the AH weather or mechanical difficulties. Unless they are living outside in snow, not many are dealing with the 60 below temps or hoping their oxygen supply doesn't fail. And there aren't 10 guys all working to make a single AH buff complete it's mission, much less 30 guys filling out the crew of your typical single pilot buff box.

Somehow the WW2 bomber pilot comparison just doesn't work under the circumstances

Dan/CorkyJr

I know it doesnt work for this circumstance, i was just stating that even during the war buff and fighter jocks gave eachother a hard time. But tell me this guys, if your in a buff, isnt it a great sight when u see a friendly plane wing up with you? I know i do. Awhile back me and my squad put together a rather large Buff w/ escort mission, high alt, long range. And we flew at around 20k. I was in a B-24 along with 10 other 31st pilots, and had around 7 escort aircraft. A couple of times a con got on a squaddie (escorts) tail and i had him drag the con by me, and i shot his butt down. I remember reading about stuff like this in a book about the air war over europe. Im mearly stating that even in WWII buff and fighter jocks gave eachother a hard time, but when it came down to it, they loved eachother!

Vudak · « **Reply #62 on:** August 03, 2005, 06:09:50 PM »

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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Vudak, I understand your opinion completly.
My opinion is that fighter pilots do their job, and when they do it well, they are awarded with kills, and then those show up in the text buffer. I believe that bomber pilots should get a small bit of this.

I like So and So landed successfully in a B17 with a hit % of ___

And as far as cluttering up the text buffer, there isnt to many real bomber pilots left, and most of the text buffer is cluttered up with guys talking about whatever on country.

I see what you're saying BlueJ1, but think of it this way - what is the easiest thing to hit? A hanger, of course.

I know the comparison is that vulching is easy too and fighter pilots get that credit, but vulching is really no different then cherry picking if you think of it... And besides, anyone who thinks that trying to vulch 20+ fellows who are determined to get up, all the while dealing with flak and GVs, as well as quite a few airborne enemies, and keeping an eye out for the high alt reinforcements is easy probably isn't at the same field I am

That scenario's a blast. Then the FHs come down. Apparently because we're trying to take the field and the goon is nearly there.... But the town is still up!!!

The solution of how to convince bomber pilots to hit the darn town instead of the FHs baffles me. I do fear that awarding them some name in lights for hitting anything, FHs included, will only encourage the FHs to drop as they're easier targets... And that's really not fun for either side, the one trying to take off or the one trying to prevent it.

Again, I just really fear that this will encourage bombers to take out the hangers... The hangers being the necessary thing for both sides' enjoyment.

I do however see the bomber pilots' point and hope a way is found to give them some recognition without encouraging them to stop fights.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #63 on:** August 03, 2005, 06:19:14 PM »

I think that even if the buffer showed that a buff pilot landed so much hit % that everyone would know that its for the most part, especially with new bombsite, easier to hit a FH then it is to shoot down a la7 in a fighter yourself.

If the buffer showed a bomber hit certian objects would be too much. But if it showed either Hit % or so many pounds successfully dropped would work for your reasons. You said that bombers would then go for the hangers. Well if I was going just to look good in the buffer, I would go for the easiest target possible, the town, not a hanger with ack, more aircraft, and gvs if low enough. The town is larger and more clustered with objects to bomb.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #64 on:** August 03, 2005, 06:19:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He's right. After long and tiring flights caused by milk running undefended bases and smiting the tool sheds that were the target of their ire, the bomber pilots should receive some recognition for their prowess at blowing up buildings from 25,000ft or using a formation of Lancasters as dive bombers.

As the saying does, "Fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history" so to recognize their efforts, a I think it's only fitting they do get some type of recognition.

So I propose for those bombers that have shown significant skill and determination to seek that that undefended base and bomb the vile tool sheds to oblivion should be eligible for a special reward. It can't be just any special reward either like those system messages those "fighter jocks" get, no, it must be far more than that. They need their own flag to mount on their planes, to let the others know that "there is an elite bomber pilot in this plane." A flag they can wave proudly to show that they're "Loud, bombers and here." and I can think of no better flag than this.

The Official Tool Shed Warrior's Rainbow Flag of Elite Excellence in the field of Milkrunning and Tool Shed Destruction.

This way it will inspire the bombers to achieve greater heights as they keep reaching for that rainbow.

Ack-Ack

Ok, I'm not an AKAK fan by any means, but that's damn hilarious, I don't care who you are. Score one for the 38 dweeb on this one!

Zazen

Curval · « **Reply #65 on:** August 03, 2005, 06:24:54 PM »

I was never a big fan of buffs until MrPluto kind of took me under his wing (so to speak) and helped me become a much better buff pilot than I ever was in a fighter.

I'd like to see some credit awarded...but I see the difficulty with it after reading Pyro's posts. (Kudos to him for considering the issue.)

I wish I could give some suggestions but I don't feel qualified to do so. Whatever can be done would be greatly appreciated though.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 03, 2005, 06:47:23 PM »

SYSTEM: bug322 lost 2 buffs and only got 1 kill thnx to 3 lifes the dweeb was able to land.

blkmgc · « **Reply #67 on:** August 03, 2005, 07:09:13 PM »

System: landed XX ground objects destroyed/xx kills

New graphics look nicer btw.

Simaril · « **Reply #68 on:** August 03, 2005, 07:27:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Vudak
I see what you're saying BlueJ1, but think of it this way - what is the easiest thing to hit? A hanger, of course...

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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I've thought that the hit % took into account the number of structures hit by a single blast -- for example, a single bomb with damage applied to 4 structures in its radius would have a 400% rating.

In that case, the town/strat drop would ahve a significant advantage on the airfield pad structures, which are more spread out and have fewer live targets to begin with.

If my impression is correct, then the hit% would tend to FAVOR town drops more than hangar drops, and would have an advantage over total points damage (which would be more target neutral).

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 03, 2005, 07:43:59 PM »

Very good Simaril, what I was trying to say but more intelligent.

kj714 · « **Reply #70 on:** August 03, 2005, 07:59:11 PM »

I'm not ragging on the buffers, but I think since the one of the more difficult objects of this game is to defeat another live player in one form or another, thats what the victory messages should highlight.

On a personal note, I for one, when I do skulk around late at night, usually LUI, would not want the results of my clandestine milkrunning splashed on the front page.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #71 on:** August 03, 2005, 08:11:15 PM »

Last time i checked there is no object to the game in the main arena.

kj714 · « **Reply #72 on:** August 03, 2005, 08:36:30 PM »

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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Last time i checked there is no object to the game in the main arena.

I edited my post to better clarify what I meant BlueJ1.

True, it does not explicitly say in the rules to the game that the object is to defeat other players, but ya know, it's not a game in a box, it's a MMOG, if you want to stick your head in the sand and say that defeating other thinking and scheming human beings is not what this game is really all about, it's your prerogative. I think that most would disagree with you though.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #73 on:** August 03, 2005, 08:49:32 PM »

True, but defeating the other player in this sort of scenario should includ defeating him in other ways, not just killing him.

Ok, then the buffer idea is dropped, then give bombers more perks per drop instead of a lousy 2 perks. Only thing they can be used on is the ar234. Dont think fighter pilots can nag on this one, they have multiple perk planes that cost less then ar234s.

Chel · « **Reply #74 on:** August 03, 2005, 09:03:11 PM »

Get rid of the bombers.
Get rid of the GVs.
Lose the Carriers and 100 foot trees.
Throw out the graphics and late war planes.
Give us 5k starts, and what remains?
Spitfires and 109s.....Yuuuck!