Tool sheds my b*tt

[Alky]

Originally posted by Cooley
Some enjoy the aspect of flying bombers in a large group using
assigned formation positions and detailed target instructions, using salvo and delay calculations, and the historical aspect of re-enacting it,,,
But, yes, too easy

I can appreciate that, but I wish they'd do it someplace where the fight isn't

[Sketch]

Were there any CV's or any other ship sunk by a Buff group? And none of this low level crap where it was a one way trip either! A "Normal" High Alt drop, like bombing is suppose to be done...

EDIT:
Found this....answered my question, but not much info there, doesn't even tell how high they were. Did some looking around, couldn't find much else....

NICHIMEI MARU (January 15, 1943)

Japanese army cargo vessel, part of a convoy transporting Allied prisoners of war, sunk by bombs from USAAF B-24s about two hundred miles southwest of Rangoon, Burma. (13º30'N 97º30'E) Also part of the convoy, the army cargo ship Moji Maru, was damaged. Around 500 Allied prisons-of-war on board the Nichimei were lost.

[Tarmac]

Not sure about altitude either, but the British battleship Prince of Wales was sunk by level bombers.  Bettys, IIRC.

[Rino]

I think Nells got the Prince and Repulse.

[Tarmac]

According to this website, it's...

both!

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/31615prince/

Nells and Bettys.

[J_A_B]

I don't know of any aircraft carrier sunk by high-altitude level bombers.  Level bombing with gravity-guided bombs doesn't lend itself well against maneuvering targets.  Bombing carriers from 25,000 feet with B-17's in AH will have about the same level of effectiveness as it did in reality--which is to say, none.  Hence why they choose to dive-bomb (survival not being an issue).


Prince of Whales and Repulse were sunk by torpedo attack.  All the final level level bombing against Prince of Whales really accomplished was killing more people on an already sinking ship.   Also take note that the planes weren't flying at particularly high altitude.


J_A_B

[Krusty]

Originally posted by LePaul
I enjoy doing the buff run, although lately Im in the P-38J a lot.

What annoys me is HTC has made the bomb sight synch up a lot easier to bring in more buff pilots.  Yet it seems most of em opt for the NOE/suicide thing.  

Many of us could not bomb using the "old" method. I'm serious. Many could NOT get their computers to do it. I know my computer sucks. It's been okay since AH came out, but it's a P3 650MHz. There was something with my hardware setup and my crappy bellybutton joystick and the lack of CPU and lack of RAM that meant I could NOT bomb at all. Keep in mind I started out AH many years ago bombing with AKNimitz. We did some lanc runs on the HQ back when it was a hard thing to do but could be taken down by 1-2 men. I liked bombing. From alt. But when they redid the bomb site with the calibration I could not get it to work. I did it all properly step by step (no I'm not kidding, I did it perfectly every damn time) but the bombs were way freaking off target every single time.

There were others that had problems with it too. An anecdotal example is where one guy when to skuzzy or pyro or somebody and told them about the problem, tried to get some help, and they eventually said "You can't calibrate with your current setup".

So there was more to it than *just* encouraging bombers.

Hell, with the newbies that only want to suicide they're not going to get anywhere near the level of enjoyment the rest of us get from this game. They'll suicide in anything. They don't care. If the bomb dropping became slightly random (wind scattering bombs, what have you) they'd drop from 10 feet instead of 40 feet, they'd do vertical dives at 90 degrees instead of lame duck 45 degree plow-ins. I see the change in the bomb calibration as an acknowledgement that the old one didn't work for a lot of people. I don't see it as any prevention of dweebery. You'll find dweebery anywhere. I think it was changed to help those that cared to use it, not those that will never even try it.

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Kweassa
I miss the old calibration routine..

 Now, THAT, took skill.

Not really, just an extra 10-15 seconds.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by LePaul
I enjoy doing the buff run, although lately Im in the P-38J a lot.

What annoys me is HTC has made the bomb sight synch up a lot easier to bring in more buff pilots.  Yet it seems most of em opt for the NOE/suicide thing.  

Gives those of us who do actually use the sight and use some tactics to get into hostile airspace a bad rap.

I agree heap much with that---wish eggs had to fall minimum 10 seconds or something if dropped from norden plane

[ALF]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Anyone else hate how it's been made easy mode to calibrate your bomb sight?

I no longer fly buffs because there is no challenge to it at all.  It is one of the few things I think HT got COMPLETELY WRONG.  There is no fun when there is no challenge, and there ain't no challenge in holding down one key for a few seconds.

Bombing at altitude used to be a very difficult thing since holding the crosshairs steady from far away was a son of a beach.....now instead I get fake haze that encorages low level bombing runs and makes traditional bombing 99% useless.  At 30k in an airplane you can very often see perfectly fine....unles you fly AH at which point 16k-17k has a magical white blanked of bull schnit.

A year or so ago I flew buffs a good portion of the time.....I rarely fly them now since HT has basically encouraged dive bombing in them as their only real effective use.

[ALF]

Originally posted by Krusty
Many of us could not bomb using the "old" method. I'm serious. Many could NOT get their computers to do it. I know my computer sucks. It's been okay since AH came out, but it's a P3 650MHz. There was something with my hardware setup and my crappy bellybutton joystick and the lack of CPU and lack of RAM that meant I could NOT bomb at all.  

So if someone has a crappy computer that prevents smooth framerates near the ground in a fighter should we add an autokill button for them as well?  

One thing was done when the bomber callibration was changed, the challege, hence the fun was removed.

[Krusty]

If fighters had a checklist of things to do in order to "prime" their guns, and if that list of steps wouldn't work on lesser hardware, then YES, there should be an auto-prime feature for the guns... Think about it this way... what if you had to harmonize your guns in the cockpit before you ever fired a shot? And only if you got it perfectly right would your shots land anywhere near your gunsite center?

THEN it would be important who could and could not actually do what the game was asking.

[FuBaR]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Anyone else hate how it's been made easy mode to calibrate your bomb sight?

YES

If wind was brought back It might help alittle bit with that.

[Hoarach]

Some like taking bases and other prefer furballs.  What I dont enjoy, though, when I find a good furball some idiot takes a bomber and kills the FHs at the enemy base.  By doing this they kill the fight.  Then the enemy come from a base even farther away and come up at 18k and will just cherry pick causing extreme lameness or vise versa.  Other times we would be vulching and some bomber pilot comes in and bombs the FHs getting rid of the easy kills.  Yea bomber pilots are good when it comes to sinking cvs but I dont appreciate them going into of the best fights of the night and killing FHs at either base causing the fight to die.  Ive started to fly underneath the bomber bombsights trying to get them to miss.  If I find a good fight and start engaging and having a good time then a bomber pilot comes in kills FHs and says,"I killed FHs and says ha ha now we dont have to worry about enemy fighters."  I start thinking to myself I wish killshooter was off so I could blast them out of the sky because I travel a sector or so to a good fight just to see it disappear.  I would like bomber pilots to realize when they are wanted and when they arent.

I dont fly bombers and only fly fighter 99% of the time in a 38.  I dont do jabo mission and all I want to do is furball.  I think too many bomber pilots think to highly of themselves thinking they can do whatever they want not thinking none of their countrymen will be angry at them.  I am one of those people that dont like seeing bombers because they usually end up porking the fields and killing a good fight because thats what I see most do.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by FuBaR
YES

If wind was brought back It might help alittle bit with that.

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Wind was at 16k, most folks come in under 10