Author Topic: What about new 109's (Read 6022 times)

FalconSix · « **Reply #60 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:12:23 AM »

And btw. what possible scenario would feature a K-4 anyways? A 1000 B-24s and 100 P-51s against 30 109s perhaps? Let's face it, none of the late war LW planes can possibly be used for a "historic" setup that would be remotely fair or fun for the LW guys. Mid 1944 before D-day would be the last playable historic date for the LW. Perhaps some sort of Bodenplatte scenario could be set up, but that's about it.

The 109G-10 and K-4 are MA birds, nothing more. The only reason the G-10 has been used in scenarios so far is because we have no G-14.

Kev367th · « **Reply #61 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:15:40 AM »

Well I would assume that as TOD is initally 8th AF based that it may well go all the way to 44 and beyond.
Speaking to Pyro re: the Spit lineup, he consistently mentioned TOD and scenarios. Hence no MA only Spits, and there could be quite a few of them.

FalconSix · « **Reply #62 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:23:49 AM »

I don't see how any late '44 and '45 TOD tours could be anything like historical. Do you?

Kev367th · « **Reply #63 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:25:05 AM »

Considering it will include AI aircraft, why not?

FalconSix · « **Reply #64 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:27:10 AM »

1000+ allied planes against perhaps 50-100 LW. Does that sound doable in a game to you?

Kev367th · « **Reply #65 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:31:44 AM »

No idea.

Would guess it isn't impossible, problem is lack of details on TOD.
Maybe Pyro will cover that angle (1944-->) just in case.
As I said he did constantly mention it to the point where not only was the Spit IX/XVI @25lbs (late 44/early45) unsuitable for the MA but also for TOD and scenarios.

Despite it apparently being the best matchup for a G-14 at any boost.

Who knows lol.

hogenbor · « **Reply #66 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:32:40 AM »

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Originally posted by FalconSix
And btw. what possible scenario would feature a K-4 anyways? A 1000 B-24s and 100 P-51s against 30 109s perhaps? Let's face it, none of the late war LW planes can possibly be used for a "historic" setup that would be remotely fair or fun for the LW guys. Mid 1944 before D-day would be the last playable historic date for the LW. Perhaps some sort of Bodenplatte scenario could be set up, but that's about it.

The 109G-10 and K-4 are MA birds, nothing more. The only reason the G-10 has been used in scenarios so far is because we have no G-14.

Too true.

FalconSix · « **Reply #67 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:34:02 AM »

Good luck finding players to fly those 50 LW rides. I sure won't. If that's how TOD turns out HTC can just save their time and drop the whole thing, because the players will be in the MA.

Kev367th · « **Reply #68 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:35:15 AM »

Don't think it will go over too well period, once the novelty wears off.
Just another CT with bells and whistles.

FalconSix · « **Reply #69 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:36:57 AM »

So you agree that the MA is the primary product of HTC and the plane set should reflect that?

Kev367th · « **Reply #70 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:24:23 AM »

Me personally, yes, and it will probably remain so.

But I still think 'exotic' aircraft should be kept to a minimum, maybe 1 or 2 each country, and that all should be perked.

I also think HT should set a minimum # on that type of aircraft or variant produced, prevents all these discussions.

for e.g. no aircraft that had less than 200 of that type or variant produced. Yes I realise we would lose a Spit 14 @ 21lbs, to be replaced by one @ 18lbs.
But somewhere a line has to drawn or it starts to get ridiculous.
200 is just a figure for example purposes, HT would decide on the final number be it higher or lower.

FalconSix · « **Reply #71 on:** August 08, 2005, 10:29:27 AM »

I think the "line" is fine where it is. If it saw combat it's good. We have already established that the MA is not a historical setup, and that the MA is the main product of HTC. Wtf do you care if a rare WWII bird is represented? So what if there were only 200 F4U-1C's made or +21lbs spit16's. Who the f cares in a game environment? The perk cost is supposed to balance usage (not historical rareness).

justin_g · « **Reply #72 on:** August 08, 2005, 10:48:01 AM »

"It saw combat" seems to be the only criteria. One of the fighters already in AH only had 1 of it's type proven to "see combat"!!

FalconSix · « **Reply #73 on:** August 08, 2005, 11:20:21 AM »

Which fighter is that Justin?

Karnak · « **Reply #74 on:** August 08, 2005, 11:44:08 AM »

FalconSix,

For you info, HTC does model poor fuel and reduced engine performance from it for the Japanese. They don't seem to just go with the top end, ideal aircraft or the Ki-84 would be doing about 370mph on the deck and 425mph at 20,000ft. That is what it was capable of with good maintainance and good fuel, as the tests in the US showed. Instead it does 344mph on the deck and 388mph at 20,000ft. Likewise the Spit XIV has is not modeled with 150 octane fuel, but rather with 100 octane.

EDIT:

The Ta152H-1 only has one known combat encounter that I know of, vs Tempests in a 2v2 which the Ta152's won 2 to 1 IIRC.