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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2005, 07:16:08 PM »
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You mean as opposed to selfish barbarsim showed by the victorious european powers after WW1 or the Soviets after WW2 in the east?


GH, USSR withdrew from Manchuria and Korea after the war was over, we only took back the base at Port Arthur that was rented by Empire in 1890s for 99 years. We later abandoned that navy base in exchange of US abandoning their.

It's a well-known fact that when Mao Zedong visited Moscow in 1949 and asked Stalin for advise how to buld a Soviet society in China - Stalin answered that they have to find their own way and not copy Soviet system.

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2005, 07:24:00 PM »
I meant eastern europe.

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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2005, 07:24:31 PM »
"Stalin answered that they have to find their own way and not copy Soviet system."

Is that what he told eastern europe as well?

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2005, 07:30:26 PM »
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I meant eastern europe.


You said - East. "Eastern Europe" is West. Sorry for misunderstanding.

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2005, 07:35:34 PM »
Funny how our perspectives differ. :)

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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2005, 07:38:00 PM »
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"Stalin answered that they have to find their own way and not copy Soviet system."

Is that what he told eastern europe as well?


Did Eastern Europe have a system of "Soviets"? "Soviet" = a "Council" of people's representatives. Eastern Europe didn't even have purely Communist parties, only some things like "Socialistic United Party of Germany" or "Polish Workers Party".

It may be quite interesting for Westerners to study "Countries of People's Democracy". It wasn't a uniformed line of incubator twins.

And again I have to say that so-called "Western democracy" in countries occupied by "allies" was... hmmm... forced.

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2005, 07:41:38 PM »
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Funny how our perspectives differ. :)


Hmm, I still call USA a "Western" country, when it's only something like 50km East of Chukotka across the Bering Straight...

Grun, it's sometimes really funny: here "liberals" are right-wing and "conservatives" are lefts.

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2005, 08:35:28 PM »
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Did Eastern Europe have a system of "Soviets"? "Soviet" = a "Council" of people's representatives. Eastern Europe didn't even have purely Communist parties, only some things like "Socialistic United Party of Germany" or "Polish Workers Party".

It may be quite interesting for Westerners to study "Countries of People's Democracy". It wasn't a uniformed line of incubator twins.

And again I have to say that so-called "Western democracy" in countries occupied by "allies" was... hmmm... forced.


Forced? LOL!! Damn right.. we 'forced' 'em all to call themselves 'France' and 'Belgium' and 'Netherlands', etc; installed by force our picked governments and refused to allow them to join the Warsaw Pact under threat of forced removal to 'workers paradises' in Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah. Cripes, when France and Italy elected socialist governments in the 50's and 60's, the very next day American Tanks were in the streets of the capitals.. the nerve of those guys!

:rolleyes:

Why is it virtually every nation that had the word 'Democratic' in it's title was in fact a communist puppet run **** hole that remained crushed under the heel of the Soviet Union for 50 years after the war? Tell me.. how many 'democratic rebellions' did your Soviet Hero's tromp down in Czech and Hungarian 'Democracys'?

Boroda, yer a helluva posterboy for the new Soviet Socialist Order!
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2005, 09:00:01 PM »
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Forced? LOL!! Damn right.. we 'forced' 'em all to call themselves 'France' and 'Belgium' and 'Netherlands', etc; installed by force our picked governments and refused to allow them to join the Warsaw Pact under threat of forced removal to 'workers paradises' in Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah. Cripes, when France and Italy elected socialist governments in the 50's and 60's, the very next day American Tanks were in the streets of the capitals.. the nerve of those guys!


Hang. Please, tell me exactly how many people from "People's Democracy countries" were "removed by force" to clean the snow in Siberia. I bet you'll be surprised.

We had a guy here from Italy who explained about their "first democratic elections" on American bayonets. Both systems are far from innocent. At least I admit the obvious while you still repeat your propaganda.

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Why is it virtually every nation that had the word 'Democratic' in it's title was in fact a communist puppet run **** hole that remained crushed under the heel of the Soviet Union for 50 years after the war? Tell me.. how many 'democratic rebellions' did your Soviet Hero's tromp down in Czech and Hungarian 'Democracys'?


First: a Hungarian "uprising" was obviously fed by CIA, and CIA "veterans" admit it. They started to hang Russians and Communists on lamp-posts. What if in Mexico they'll start to hang "gringos" and "capitalists" on lamp-posts? What will be the US reaction? I doubt that it could be an order for T-34 regiments to "shoot over their heads" when under hostile fire... I talked to two people who were in Hungary in 1956... They got orders from high command to "shoot at the sky" and only their direct commanders disobeyed because they didn't want to lose every soldier :(

As for CzSSR - how many people got klled there by Evil Warsaw Treaty Toops? That operation can be compared to one of the numerous US invasions into Panama. BTW, ever heard how Panama appeared on map? :rolleyes:

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Boroda, yer a helluva posterboy for the new Soviet Socialist Order!


Hang, I am a Russian imperialist and proud of it. We are both patriots of our Nations. Some posts made by You can be translated and published in Russian "patriotic" press to scare the illiterates, as well as mine may serve you in your redneck leaflets (no offences please, i simply try to find a verbal construction to describe silly yellow press playing on hatered towards "traditional enemy").

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2005, 11:59:26 PM »
I like that russian guy "Boroda"  he's funny!  


I have to admit i think sometimes Boroda is being a lil sarcastic, (and it so had to see in a persons writing to know if they are or arent)  

Either way both you guys are right!
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2005, 12:24:07 AM »
Pavel, the Berlin Wall was put up for what reason? PostWar Eastern Europe was a nightmare for eastern europeans.. first under the boot of the nazi's, then the communists. Your esteemed government was directly involved WITH the Nazi's in their conquest of Poland and most of eastern Europe before Hitler turned on you..

Post War, your troops slammed down the Latvain and Estonian anti-communist democratic movement, installed puppet governments in Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Poland, East Germany.. While we pitched in with the Marshall Plan to rebuild a free western europe, your government enslaved the people of the east.

As for your 'american bayonets' in Italy.. c'mon. If you mean we stopped a communist coup attempt to seize control of the Italian government, that I can believe.. but the people of Italy have had their own government, post war to present. It was never an 'american puppet republic'.. the only 'puppet republics' in europe were soviet sattellite states, held in your sphere of influence by force.

Yes, our government is guilty of supplying partisans in soviet bloc states.. just as yours promoted and supplied communist partisans in Central America, Africa and Asia.

Panama is Panamanian my friend. Not the happiest history.. but those folks suffered far less than the Hungarians did. As for the invasion.. Noriega overthrew an elected government and then had the very poor sense to declare war on us, attacked americans, killed embassy and canal zone troops.. So we kicked his ass, tried him convicted him and stuck him in prison. Then we gave the country back to the elected government.

Fact is, on the world stage, you guys failed. Totally. Your empire imploded.. it collapsed, the vaunted 'revolution' failed, the walls came down.

Yah lost. You had nearly 2/3 of the world.. now you got bubkis. Nada. Zip. Nothin.

And there's a McDonalds in Pushkin Square... the worlds LARGEST, busiest McDonalds, with 27 cash registers and a 70 foot long order counter.

When is it gonna sink in Comrade.. when you gonna wake up and look around, see the wreckage you guys made of Eastern Europe and take responsibility.. when are yah gonna say 'this was evil.. we were wrong. This should never happen again..'

Instead, you speak of false glory, call stalin a hero of mother russia.. when you gonna realize you were duped? Lied to? Mislead? Screwed, like everybody else that evil system touched?

When?
« Last Edit: August 10, 2005, 12:27:14 AM by Hangtime »
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2005, 03:42:56 AM »
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