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Offline slimm50

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« on: August 09, 2005, 10:39:28 AM »
60 years ago today a B-29 piloted by Col. Charles Sweeney dropped an atomic bomb on Nagasaki, Japan. The emperor then called a meeting of the Supreme Council to try to make the military leaders accept the proposed surrender...they refused.
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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2005, 10:50:51 AM »
And the "unconditional surrender" that the USA asked for, was not "unconditional".
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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2005, 11:16:45 AM »
How many nations have, after receiving the surrender of another, invested billions in rebuilding that nation, installed a democratic government, provided for mutual defense of it and returned that nation to autonomous rule?

Just curious.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2005, 12:56:22 PM »
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And the "unconditional surrender" that the USA asked for, was not "unconditional".


in what way... give some examples.
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Offline Clifra Jones

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2005, 01:04:24 PM »
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And the "unconditional surrender" that the USA asked for, was not "unconditional".
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in what way... give some examples.


The one and only condition was that the Emporer would not be charged with any war crimes and would be left alone and unharmed.

A minor concessions in the grand screme of things.
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2005, 01:17:01 PM »
it was a matter of allowing the japanese people to exist.  We would have had to use several dozens of atomic bombs and burn and radiate millions upon millions of Japanese before they would have allowed the trial and/or execution of the emperor.

General M relayed to the white house that allowing the emperor to be tried would be like crucifying christ in the minds of the Japanese.

It had to be conditional in that repect rip.  But the agreed upon terms were the unconditional surrender of the japanese armed forces.

Sounds like a great deal to me to close a war down that had been killing many tens of millions of humans for 6 years straight.

It was time to get that crappy business over with, shut down...kaput as fast as possible.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2005, 01:18:43 PM »
It is just beyond me how some can justify conventional or firebombing that killed more people during the war but have a problem with a single bomb that was more efficient at what bombs were designed to do.
Nothing clean about war. It was the right thing to do.
This coming from someone who believes that Japan was a defeated nation, its people tired for war and would have surrendered.
I'm half-Japanese, my mom lived through the firebombing (she was eight).

Total war. Because of those two bombs, there hasn't been a WWIII.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2005, 01:53:12 PM »
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It is just beyond me how some can justify conventional or firebombing that killed more people during the war but have a problem with a single bomb that was more efficient at what bombs were designed to do.
Nothing clean about war. It was the right thing to do.
This coming from someone who believes that Japan was a defeated nation, its people tired for war and would have surrendered.
I'm half-Japanese, my mom lived through the firebombing (she was eight).

Total war. Because of those two bombs, there hasn't been a WWIII.


When someone talks about the atomic bomb in WWII I always think of the firebombing too.  Where is the outrage for the hunreds of thousands that died from firestorms caused by allied bombing in Tokyo, Hamburg and other large cities.  

If they feel the need to whine about the bomb, they need to read a little history and see that the two atomic bombs were a tiny fraction of the devastation caused by the war.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2005, 02:14:44 PM »
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How many nations have, after receiving the surrender of another, invested billions in rebuilding that nation, installed a democratic government, provided for mutual defense of it and returned that nation to autonomous rule?

Just curious.


Do you think it was done just because of good faith?

Just curious.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2005, 03:14:26 PM »
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Do you think it was done just because of good faith?

Just curious.


Of course not, which, contrary to some beliefs, makes us pretty damn smart!
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2005, 03:46:41 PM »
oh no, not again!
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 03:52:39 PM »
A complete unconditional surrender was not sought after for two reasons; Hirohito would give Japan more stability in a post WWII enviornment, and because Russia was gobbling up large amounts of land in their dash following the use of the Atomic weapons.

It was definitely the right choice to make... even if many wanted to see the Emporer hanged.
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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2005, 06:54:26 PM »
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Do you think it was done just because of good faith?

Just curious.


You mean as opposed to selfish barbarsim showed by the victorious european powers after WW1 or the Soviets after WW2 in the east?
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