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Offline Kev367th

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« on: August 08, 2005, 02:27:26 AM »
What Spit would be a good matchup for it, as its more than likely it will be in the new lineup?

I.e. model boost etc.

I assume the model would be a IX or XVI?
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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2005, 04:08:27 AM »
Depends on the engine.

G-14 with AM engine does 352mph at s/l, 413mph at 16,400ft. These speeds are on par with a +25lbs Merlin 66 Spitfire(approx. 360mph@s/l, 405mph@14,000ft). Spitfire would be a bit faster at low altitudes up to about 3,000ft, the G-14 would hold a small advantage at altitudes above this, increasing over about 15,000ft altitude.

The (more common in RL) high-altitude ASM engine gives the G-14 348mph at s/l & 423mph at 24,600ft. A +25lbs Merlin Spitfire would hold a slight edge in speed below about 16,000ft - above which the G-14 would gain a speed advantage of 30mph+
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2005, 07:18:48 AM »
Thanks, shame we'll never see a 25lbs spit, already been poo-poo'd by Pyro as too good for the MA.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2005, 07:31:42 AM »
Too good for the MA? Isn't that what perk points are for? LOL we have the 262, but a +25 spit is "too good".

I'd love to see a +25 spit and a +21 P-51 or perhaps a +25 Mustang IV. All appropriately perked of course.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2005, 07:38:46 AM »
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Too good for the MA? Isn't that what perk points are for? LOL we have the 262, but a +25 spit is "too good".

I'd love to see a +25 spit and a +21 P-51 or perhaps a +25 Mustang IV. All appropriately perked of course.


Apparently, yes it is.
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2005, 07:41:51 AM »
Wow, must be one sweet ride! :)
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2005, 07:56:17 AM »
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Depends on the engine.

G-14 with AM engine does 352mph at s/l, 413mph at 16,400ft. These speeds are on par with a +25lbs Merlin 66 Spitfire(approx. 360mph@s/l, 405mph@14,000ft). Spitfire would be a bit faster at low altitudes up to about 3,000ft, the G-14 would hold a small advantage at altitudes above this, increasing over about 15,000ft altitude.

The (more common in RL) high-altitude ASM engine gives the G-14 348mph at s/l & 423mph at 24,600ft. A +25lbs Merlin Spitfire would hold a slight edge in speed below about 16,000ft - above which the G-14 would gain a speed advantage of 30mph+

So 25lbs Spit is good matchup, when it actually does everything better than G-14? Sure it is good choice, if you fly Spit....
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2005, 10:30:51 AM »
G-14 versus a +18lbs Merlin 66 Spitfire:

G-14(AM) - from 10 to 25mph faster than Spitfire up to 20,000ft - smaller advantage above this height.

G-14(ASM) - about 10mph faster than Spitfire up to 20,000ft - above this height 30mph+ advantage.
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« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2005, 09:07:32 PM »
The G-14/AS was not the most numerous of the G-14s...

5500 G-14s were produced, only about 1000 were G-14/AS's...

The reason it would be a good idea in AH to keep the G-10 and add a standard G-14 is the large SC on the AS engine doesn't produce as much power at low alt...

The whole reason for wanting a G-14 is better speed below FTH...

If they re-do the G-10 to reflect real G-10 numbers (not the 452 mph the G-10/K-4 hybrid does now) is that you still get a better high alt performing 109 like the AS's and you get a faster 109 (well faster then the G-6 using MW-50).

best of both worlds...
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2005, 01:08:15 AM »
Pyro "quote"- There will be no G-10 it is being removed from the lineup.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2005, 01:25:14 AM »
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Pyro "quote"- There will be no G-10 it is being removed from the lineup.


Wow, that would be a first...  Keep the G10, but at a lower speed like 425-430mph.

If they dont tere might be a huge performance gap metween the 415mph G14 and the 450mph K4.
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2005, 01:40:27 AM »
Yeah, its in a thread about the 109 makeover, wish I could find it for you.
All he said was - There will be no G-10, it is being removed from the lineup.

The general feeling is that it is being turned into the K4, and a G-14 added.
Don't think he is worried so much about performance gaps, more what would be usefull for TOD and CM's.
Would think that as TOD expands in timeframe and location (2 weeks maybe :) ), there will be more models added for all sides at a later date.
Most people feel TOD won't go as far as D-Day in its 1st incarnation, so maybe this is part of it.
Who knows, do what I did, call and ask him, but he does seem focussed on whats useful for TOD and CMs, with the occassional rare bird as a treat (not saying the G10 is rare before someone takes it the wrong way, meant generally).
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2005, 03:52:40 AM »
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The G-14/AS was not the most numerous of the G-14s...

5500 G-14s were produced, only about 1000 were G-14/AS's...

I read somewhere there were 1830 G-14/AS out of estimated 3-4000 G-14 built, guess that was wrong...:o
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2005, 09:44:10 AM »
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f they dont tere might be a huge performance gap metween the 415mph G14 and the 450mph K4.


Thats what I have been alone in arguing since reading that...

Hopefully Pyro will re-consider.. A 425 mph or so G-10 could fill in for the AS engined 109s.

Performance is close enough not to be an issue...

So you would have a 415 mph G-14, a 425 mph G-10 (but a higher FTH) and the ultimate K-4 at 450 mph...

That will fill out the 43 - 45 109s...

Unless Pyro has decided to do a G-14/AS

It could fill in for a G-10 but the only thing is that at low alt, especially at mil power its not quite as fast as a standard G-14... Its only a few mph so it would have more of an effect in main usage rather then ToD or events...
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2005, 04:17:34 AM »
Here's a *rough* graph of the relative performance of G-14 & K-4.

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1. Thin blue line estimates G-10 speeds.
2. Thin black line estimates K-4 at 1.98ata(377mph @ s/l, 444mph @ 19,600ft).
3. Curves show 109 speed with "perfect" supercharger drive(as currently modelled in AH).

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