Iran: crisis looming over nuclear plans

[Lazerus]

Read this Saturday. Improbable buildup, but not far from what is happening. A good read none the less.

[FalconSix]

Originally posted by Raider179
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I guess it's too much for you to follow a simple discussion. Hangtime proposed a US military blockade. You know, like the one we have on Cuba. Seems to work very well.

Never mind, you're not worth the effort. Your future opinions will not matter.

[Nashwan]

Explain to me how exactly Iran is gonna take its oil off the market? They will just sell to someone else and hence it will not affect worldwide supply and demand.

I wouldn't like to bet on that once the bombs start dropping.

I also wouldn't like to bet that Iran will just sit back and allow their nuclear plants to be bombed without retaliation.

I mean, the whole argument for attacking them is they are so fanatical they will start a nuclear war if they have nukes, what's the chance that they won't launch suicide strikes at Saudi, Kuwaiti, UAE oil production facilities?

[babek-]

Now - what can happen now against Iran ?

A full scale invasion ?
Sure - especially if you consider how successful these forces against Terror today control such small countries like Iraq or Afghanistan. Where all the liberated people celebrate their liberators and where US soldiers can walk through the streets of Bagdad without the fear to be killed every minute by some suicide idiots.

So its surely no problem to control the much larger Iran with 60 millions of shi ites instead of sunnites.

And I am also sure that the iranian grand ajatollah Sistani, the leader of the iraqi shi ite majority will just sit back and watch how foreigners attack iranian shi ites . Surely this will stabilize Iraq further.

Also Iran will say to their Hezbollah and Hamas friends: "Please dont attack anyone of them around the world - they are just fighting terrorism."

Loyal countries like Germany and France cant await to join the proud allaince against Terroism and send their soldiers for this holy war.

So - there are absolutely no risks in an attack against Iran.

But even if there wouldnt be an invasion but only some nice bombing attacks there is no risk that so  civilized countries like Russia or China would rebuild them in extreme short time for iranian oil dollars.

And surely the mullah regime will be destabilzed by such attacks of foreigners against Iran, because the people of Iran love it, when foreigners attack their country.

When Mad dog Saddam and his arab hordes tried to invade iran some decades ago the iranians just surrendered and didnt build a fanatic army which kicked out the iraqis from iranian territory with human-wave.attacks.

And if no invasion or bombing than surely an embargo will be effective.

Remember the iranian F-14 ? In 1980 the support with spare parts was stopped and none of these planes could fly anylonger.

So this picture must be a paintshop fake and not one of the many still operational F-14 of the IRIAF with new camo-colours taken in a 2005 air show in Iran.


As you see - there are absolutely no risks in starting invasions/bombings/embargos against Iran.

So - what are we waiting for?

[Raider179]

Originally posted by FalconSix
I guess it's too much for you to follow a simple discussion. Hangtime proposed a US military blockade. You know, like the one we have on Cuba. Seems to work very well.

Never mind, you're not worth the effort. Your future opinions will not matter.

You do know that Iran is not an Island right? With land routes through Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq. Righttt and I am not worth your time. We cant even close the borders off here in America, we arent gonna be able to do it halfway around the world.

[Raider179]

What what what? Even Russia is calling for the cessation of the uranium enrichment. Glad to see they are coming back to our side.

Russia has called on Iran to stop work on uranium conversion immediately, a day after it resumed operations at its nuclear facility at Isfahan.
Iran's main partner in its effort to develop nuclear power urged Tehran to continue co-operating with the UN nuclear watchdog, the IAEA.

The IAEA meets on Wednesday to discuss whether Iran should be referred to the UN Security Council for sanctions.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4136662.stm

It should be obvious to those who arent completely blind that Iran is enriching uranium for the purpose of making nukes. After all why did they need to enrich uranium if Russia was going to provide the fuel for the reactors?

[Jackal1]

Give it a rest slick. Russia is a horse with many faces and all of them have a knife in one hand behind their back.
Get a grip.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Give it a rest slick. Russia is a horse with many faces and all of them have a knife in one hand behind their back.
Get a grip.

Yeah but they dont wont to back Iran. That place is gonna get leveled soon.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1093747,00.html

The U.S. Military's new nemesis in Iraq is named Abu Mustafa al-Sheibani, and he is not a Baathist or a member of al-Qaeda. He is working for Iran. According to a U.S. military-intelligence document obtained by TIME, al-Sheibani heads a network of insurgents created by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps with the express purpose of committing violence against U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. Over the past eight months, his group has introduced a new breed of roadside bomb more lethal than any seen before; based on a design from the Iranian-backed Lebanese militia Hizballah, the weapon employs "shaped" explosive charges that can punch through a battle tank's armor like a fist through the wall. According to the document, the U.S. believes al-Sheibani's team consists of 280 members, divided into 17 bombmaking teams and death squads. The U.S. believes they train in Lebanon, in Baghdad's predominantly Shi'ite Sadr City district and "in another country" and have detonated at least 37 bombs against U.S. forces this year in Baghdad alone.

[mora]

Originally posted by babek-
Remember the iranian F-14 ? In 1980 the support with spare parts was stopped and none of these planes could fly anylonger.

So this picture

must be a paintshop fake and not one of the many still operational F-14 of the IRIAF with new camo-colours taken in a 2005 air show in Iran.

Very nice paint scheme. They are also producing improved Phoenix missiles, which will give hard time to any modern plane.

[Toad]

In any event, it is believed that Soviet and Russian expertise has allowed Iran to operate, maintain, and upgrade the F-14 fleet. The aircraft are reportedly being upgraded with a new Russian radar, engines, and a glass cockpit allowing them to serve until well into the 21st century.

The Iranian press has further indicated that the surviving aircraft have been adapted for a heavy bombing roll, perhaps armed with air-to-surface anti-ship missiles. Some 50 to 55 are believed to remain in service, but only about 30 of these are considered airworthy at any one time.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0077.shtml



Interesting to note the US Navy has divested the AIM-54. On July 15, 2004 the last AIM-54 was shot by VF-213 Cag-8; Pilot- LCDR Mark Tankersley and RIO- LTJG Scott Timmester.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Toad
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0077.shtml



Interesting to note the US Navy has divested the AIM-54. On July 15, 2004 the last AIM-54 was shot by VF-213 Cag-8; Pilot- LCDR Mark Tankersley and RIO- LTJG Scott Timmester.

Didn't know they took the phoenix out of service. What else do they have that can match the capabilities of the Phoenix?

[ASTAC]

Originally posted by mora
Very nice paint scheme. They are also producing improved Phoenix missiles, which will give hard time to any modern plane.

How many F-14 did the cannibalize to get that one flying?

I've been over to the gulf many times over the past 12 years..every time you see these less and less often...The US Navy doesn't even brief those as any kind of threat anymore.

I think 30 airworthy craft is a huge overestimate..I'd say probrably 10.