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Offline Urchin

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What happened to the 190s?
« on: August 11, 2005, 10:53:34 PM »
Why were the cockpit bars made 15 feet wide?  Makes it more than a little difficult to hit any kind of deflection shots... they are like 5 times wider than any of the other planes I've flown since I came back.

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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2005, 06:12:48 AM »
Not only the bars, also the canopy. 190F8 and D9 have now the same over the nose view than A5 and A8. Check this elevating your view in all modes, the higher canopy of F8 and D9 is now only artistical.

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Re: What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2005, 08:42:05 AM »
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Why were the cockpit bars made 15 feet wide?  Makes it more than a little difficult to hit any kind of deflection shots... they are like 5 times wider than any of the other planes I've flown since I came back.


Try the Ki84
Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2005, 10:46:07 AM »
Try P38G
P38 at all especialy the side views

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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2005, 02:42:50 PM »
Maybe you guys can get freinds at airshows and museums to mount a camera or a camcorder on a pedistal in the pilots seat at eye level for the pilot. Then rotate it 180 degrees taking pictures. Then post those here for all of us to evaluate.

I have to think the HTC art dept. has performed a similar action along with sitting in lots of cockpits before setteling on the production views released to the game.

HTC I have always wondered how you created the views. I hope I'm not making a fool of myself here.....:)
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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2005, 02:57:24 PM »
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Maybe you guys can get freinds at airshows and museums to mount a camera or a camcorder on a pedistal in the pilots seat at eye level for the pilot. Then rotate it 180 degrees taking pictures. Then post those here for all of us to evaluate.

I have to think the HTC art dept. has performed a similar action along with sitting in lots of cockpits before setteling on the production views released to the game.

HTC I have always wondered how you created the views. I hope I'm not making a fool of myself here.....:)


Sooooo, which one is right then.  The old or the new version?  :D

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Looked at some pics.  Looks like the new is more accurate
« Last Edit: August 12, 2005, 03:07:26 PM by dedalos »
Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2005, 03:09:57 PM »
I did try the Ki-84, I have no problem at all with those bars.  

I also flew the P-47D-11 a few times, I like what they did with that.  The front bar used to be huge and in the way, now it isn't that bad.

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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2005, 07:57:14 PM »
Also, take a look at the new 51 cockpits.  The 190 canopy bars are about 4 times as thick.  Deflection shooting is now almost impossible, especially from the right side.

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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2005, 10:44:03 PM »
I think the side bars get in the way... I haven't been able to find a view around them so far.  But then, the Ki-84 is so much more fun to fly anyway...

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2005, 10:47:55 PM »
If you think THIS is bad, you should have seen right when it came out! We had 1/2 the forward view as we do now!!! I think it's good enough to get kills in, but so far nothing beats the new ponies or a select few other rides.

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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2005, 07:25:36 AM »
The big difference is that the 190's canopy framing is 3D. The P38s, P51s and Ki-84 still enjoy the old style 2D framing allowing for better views. I wish HTC would be more consistent, either all AC have restrictive 3D framing, or none.

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2005, 09:32:43 AM »
Didnt they just redo the 38's and 51's to the same standards as the 190's? If not why did they do all that work on them and not do it to the same level?

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2005, 11:52:18 AM »
Grits: Yes they did redo them

Falcon: The reason we have 3D and 2D is that the planes are being redone one at a time to the newer (3D) standard. So until every last plane is remodeled (probably be a year or so) you will have some with 2D (old) and some with 3D (new)

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What happened to the 190s?
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2005, 12:19:45 PM »
looking at some pics i think the cockpit bars of the  FW looks thicker.
Still it has a better view as the P38.

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2005, 03:40:05 PM »
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The big difference is that the 190's canopy framing is 3D. The P38s, P51s and Ki-84 still enjoy the old style 2D framing allowing for better views. I wish HTC would be more consistent, either all AC have restrictive 3D framing, or none.


 They're all 3D.