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Offline aknimitz

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« on: December 09, 2001, 04:37:00 PM »
Ok, so they probably are the 2nd best team in the nation, but man ... something just doesnt make sense.  Colorado beat 5, count 'em 5, ranked teams this year, including a ROMP of Nebraska.  Nebraska beat ... 2, 2 ranked teams.  Just doesnt seem to make sense that NU goes ahead of CU does it?  And then theres Oregan?  

Good ole BCS  :)

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2001, 05:01:00 PM »
How about this... Nebraska barely beats Miami and Oregon Blows out Colorado.

Its dreaming... I know... but anything that reveals the BCS as the load of BS that it is is a good thing.

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2001, 07:46:00 AM »
This is a perfect example of sports writer politics and polls skewing the two best teams in the country. I'm a Nebraska fan, (Grandfather played football for them in 1922, still have his letter sweater) however, Colorado should be going.

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2001, 10:32:00 AM »
Sorry Rip, I don't think a team with 2 losses should be going over two teams with 1 loss... unless its a WAC team (BYU).  Colorado lost to Fresno State.  What are they ranked again?  With two losses, Colorado's win over Nebraska was nothing but a spoiler... one that would have worked if Tennessee hadn't blown their chance. The win was definately not a "get into the finals" free game.  

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2001, 10:47:00 AM »
Shame on me, I thought Colorado had 1 loss, agreed..Big Red *should* be going in that case.

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2001, 11:09:00 AM »
I used to love college football, but it has gotten almost as ridiculous as MLB. Remember when bowl games were simply named. It was just the 'Gator Bowl', instead of the 'Frito-Lay Outback IBM Gator Bowl.'

I love how some teams aren't even considered for certain bowls because their fans "don't travel well." WTF? So basically your fans ability to fill hotel rooms is more important than the team's actual ability.

My favorite team (Syracuse) will never have a shot at a national championship. I enjoy watching them get their 8 or 9 wins a year. They usually go to a bowl. This year they beat Va Tech, all 3 of their losses are to top 10 teams, and yet they get stuck in the 'Yugo Hyundai Piece o' Crap Bowl."

Hopefully someday the NCAA will get their heads out of their tulips and implement some type of a playoff system. Less politics, less money, more football dammit.

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2001, 11:30:00 AM »
Oregon won the PAC 10 fer crissakes! Wadaya mean Nebraska should be going?? Oregon has been screwed by the East Coast elitists and the farcical notion that no good football is played West of the Rockies! Bah! BS! I hope Oregon wins their bowl by 50 pts.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2001, 11:45:00 AM »
Colorado is going where they should be going, yet they should be playing Florida in the Fiesta while Nebraska goes down to the Orange Bowl to play Maryland.  IMO, Oregon should be playing Miami in the Rose Bowl.  Blame it on UCLA mostly.  Had they not fallen so badly the last half of the season, then Oregon would have had better strength of schedule.  Same with Stanford.  Oregon is 2nd in both polls, but lagging in computer rankings and strength of schedule, plus getting hardly any quality win components.

What determines the BCS rankings has finally been shown.  It's not just how you do, it's how the teams you've played do.  Oregon took care of business on the field, losing once.  Colorado didn't and lost to Fresno St to start the year off.  Yet Colorado is #3 in the BCS over Oregon.  I hope the Ducks kick the crap outta the Buffs.

There is a lot wrong with college football, IMO.  The BCS is just one of them.  Conference championship games are another.  Texas and Tennessee both beat Colorado and LSU in the regular season.  Why should they have to play them again?  You don't see Illinois or Oregon having to play someone they beat again.  As a result, Nebraska gets the nod without even winning their division, let alone their conference.

IMO, all the conferences should have a championship game, or none of them should.  It's considered necessary in the Big 12 and SEC where you have 12 teams in each and they can't all play each other in the regular season.  However, the Pac-10 and Big 10 (err, 11 with Penn St, right?) don't all play each other in the regular season, and don't have a champ game.  The ACC and Big East do play each other in the regular season, so there is no need for a champ game.  IMO, get rid of the Big 12 and SEC champ games.  Since the NCAA has extended the season, play everyone in your conference once; team with the best conference record (or winning via tie-breaker rules) wins conference.  This means 11 conference games and 1 or 2 non-conference games for the Big 12 and SEC, but hey, Florida will play 13 games next year if they win the SEC east and Oklahoma would have had 13 this year if it made the Big 12 champ game (BYU did play 13 games this year).  

Ideally, you'd have 10 teams in each conference, play 9 conference games, 3 non-conference games.  Go to a 16 team playoff system, conference champs get automatic bids (gives the weaker conferences a "shot at the big boys") and at large bids for the other spots (given to highly ranked 2nd place teams or independent teams, i.e. if Notre Dame got good again.)  Bowls would still be played, and the big 4 could still be used as part of the playoff system somehow (maybe 2 do semifinal games, the other two get the champ game and 3rd place consolation game).

Realistically, it's a pipe dream.  Never will happen.  Money is the motivating factor of everything now.  BCS is just to get the 6 major conferences richer, SEC and Big 12 make out this year again, with 2 teams in each.  It worked fine in 98 and 99, but broke down last year (yeah Deja, here's an FSU fan that knows Miami shoulda gone to the Orange Bowl last year!) and is bad again this year after being tweaked.  It's actually just 0.05 points away from letting a 2 loss team jump several legitimate 1 loss teams.

phew!  that was a rant and a half!   ;)
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Tah Gut:
Oregon won the PAC 10 fer crissakes! Wadaya mean Nebraska should be going?? Oregon has been screwed by the East Coast elitists and the farcical notion that no good football is played West of the Rockies! Bah! BS! I hope Oregon wins their bowl by 50 pts.

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east coast elitists?  Check the polls, Oregon is 2nd in both voting polls.  

Look at the breakdown of the BCS standings.  The computers have Oregon ranked an average of 4.83 while Neb is 2.17 and Colorado is 4.50.  Then Oregon loses points in the BCS strength of schedule (this shouldn't be a component, as it's already taken into account in EVERY computer ranking) to both Colorado and Nebraska.  Oregon has 1 loss, so does Nebraska, and Colorado has 2 losses.  Then the quality of win component comes in (this is a major farce, IMO.  It's double dipping, if not triple dipping, in strength of schedule.  Colorado already gets major credit in SOS, and now it gets MORE credit for basically the same thing.)

In defense of the computers and the BCS ratings, they had no idea at the beginning of the season which teams would win which games and by how much.

If you want to blame something for Oregon being ranked #4 in the BCS, blame margin of victory in the computers.  Oregon went 3, 3, 3, 2, 8, 7, 6, 7 in the computers.  Only 4 use margin of victory in their formula.  I wonder if the 4 that have Oregon 8,7, or 6 are those 4?   :confused:  At any rate, don't blame the coaches and sports writers, they've got you 2nd.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2001, 12:01:00 PM »
Well, I love it.  The more the BCS screws up the more pressure there is to completely scrap it and finally catch up to the organizational skill of divs. II and III with a playoff.

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2001, 12:05:00 PM »
what I don't get is how can you have Matt Mauck or Chris Wienke (sp?)? Mauck is a 25 year old "freshman" or something like that? Wienke was a five year senior??? I think college sports should have an age limit - 18 to 22, 23 tops.

Yep, some sort of play-off needs to be setup if you are to have a true "National Champ" otherwise you get the crap you got now ...
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2001, 12:12:00 PM »
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Well, I love it.  The more the BCS screws up the more pressure there is to completely scrap it and finally catch up to the organizational skill of divs. II and III with a playoff.


I agree totally. Unfortunately, we are stuck with this idiocy until 2006 according to NPR this morning. Bleech.

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2001, 01:34:00 PM »
I wonder if Notre Dame was invited to a bowl game this year?  I hear Oregon State would really love to beat the hell out of them again this year.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2001, 03:42:00 PM »
You think all this is whacky?  Check out this from espn.com:

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What decided this BCS decimal derby was a last-minute interception of Southern Mississippi's Jeff Kelly when the Eagles were in fringe field goal range, down two points against TCU Friday night. TCU played Nebraska earlier this season, losing 21-7 in Lincoln. The tiny boost to Nebraska's schedule strength was just enough to hold off the Buffaloes.

So, BCS big guys, is this what you envisioned? A Friday night game between two mediocre teams in the very non-BCS Conference USA, was the factor that propelled a head-to-head loser into Pasadena? Oh yeah, that plus the all-important issue of whether Tennessee dropped behind Texas, both losers in conference title games, in the computer ratings.

TCU was an "extra game" that Nebraska took to make some money and tune up for Notre Dame. The Horned Frogs were overmatched but game, even though they had just lost LaDainian Tomlinson and half their defense in the offseason. And they end up propelling Nebraska to the Rose Bowl. 'Husker AD Bill Byrne appears to be the season's wisest man.

If the coaches and players of both Oregon and Colorado had known it was such a big deal, they could have gathered Friday to yell and root for Southern Miss with the same fervor they showed for LSU!

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2001, 09:15:00 AM »
You mean a system that places importance on just about every game of the year?  Yeah, that's awful!   ;)

Hmm, wonder who'd have gone to the Rose Bowl if Colorado had beaten Fresno State in the first game of the year?  That's a whole 1 point they woulda had, more than enough to eclipse the 0.05 points they trailed Nebraska by.

By the way, let's assume USM won and Nebraska's strength of schedule drops 1 spot.  That's only 0.04 points, making the margin of Nebraska's lead 0.01!  Unless it dropped the strength of schedule more than 1 spot (and who knows without compiling the numbers for all the teams) it wouldn't have changed things.

Mel Kiper said it best.  In absence of a playoff, the BCS is the best alternative.
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