ENY is CARP

[FDutchmn]

Originally posted by Zazen13
The point is, it doesn't work on good players. Wether you selectively target them with it or not. It just doesn't work on them. They are not tied to a specific plane like a noob or the poor player. With a horde at his back an upper echelon fighter jock can whip total arse in a p40b...Good players are immune to the ENY.

Zazen

mmmm... whether a good player will do well in a high ENY plane or not, you are quite right.

the purpose of the the ENY limiter is to encourage people to change sides.  couldn't the story be that the level of encouragement be different from player to player taking into account different factors?  then the question becomes how do we differentiate a noob and a poor player from a veteran or a good player.

post edit...

just my thoughts... the point is whether we can make a system where the encouragement to change sides can be equally distributed as it is pointed out that this differs depending on the skill of the player.  there will not be a perfect system and the present system does not seem to do its purpose that well as everyone hopes to.  oh well... just some ramblings... carry on.

[DrDea]

Ya know untill people are willing to switch sides to improve the balance this is going to be a moot point.I just dont see the need to fly only with brand X.Their are SO many good people in this game that it makes no sence to limit ones self.It has to be about the game.No matter who your flying with.Expand your experience.Float around.Who knows,ya just might make some friends ya never knew were out there.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by FDutchmn
mmmm... whether a good player will do well in a high ENY plane or not, you are quite right.

the purpose of the the ENY limiter is to encourage people to change sides.  couldn't the story be that the level of encouragement be different from player to player taking into account different factors?  then the question becomes how do we differentiate a noob and a poor player from a veteran or a good player.

post edit...

just my thoughts... the point is whether we can make a system where the encouragement to change sides can be equally distributed as it is pointed out that this differs depending on the skill of the player.  there will not be a perfect system and the present system does not seem to do its purpose that well as everyone hopes to.  oh well... just some ramblings... carry on.

Yea, read my posts above from the other thread, where I outline a system that specifically attracts upper echelon players to the underdog team. Rather than the ENY system that tries to handicap the lower echelon players off the advantaged team. The systems need not be mutually exclusive, just have both systems so you are burning the overpopulated country's candle at both ends, so to speak, increasing the overall balancing effect exponentially.



Zazen

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by DrDea
The point is, it doesn't work on good players.

But you have to define what a "good" player is.  I agree that ENY limiter will hardly effect guys like Drex or Leviathn.  Those however that are "good" because they rely on the faster late war planes, the ENY will effect them because they won't by able to fly latest and greatest.  You will see an effect in both their stats and scores.  

Which I think is the main reason for the rather vocal opposition to this by a lot.  Yes, there is a penalty on the new player but like everyone else he can switch to the less populated side.  But the main opposition so far have been by those that pretty much exclusively rely on late year planes.  Because they know that if they cannot fly their planes, their stats and score will suffer.


ack-ack

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
But you have to define what a "good" player is.  I agree that ENY limiter will hardly effect guys like Drex or Leviathn.  Those however that are "good" because they rely on the faster late war planes, the ENY will effect them because they won't by able to fly latest and greatest.  You will see an effect in both their stats and scores.  

Which I think is the main reason for the rather vocal opposition to this by a lot.  Yes, there is a penalty on the new player but like everyone else he can switch to the less populated side.  But the main opposition so far have been by those that pretty much exclusively rely on late year planes.  Because they know that if they cannot fly their planes, their stats and score will suffer.


ack-ack

To a small extent, but keep in mind, while they may not have their late model rides. They do presumably have a horde to mitigate that fact if they are facing a large ENY penalty. So, say they do not have their P47N and even numbers with enemy, they do have their P47D11 and a huge horde to fly with. Like I said before, the ENY does little except mean the overwhelmed team is getting vulched by La5's instead of La7's. In the end there's not much difference in the result.

[SlapShot]

Zaz ...

You and other have a lot of good points.

La-5 instead of La-7 ... P47-D11 instead of P47-D40/N ... P38J/G instead of P38-L ... FM2 instead of SeaFire/F6F ... Ki-61 instead of Spit V/IX ... the list goes on. Overall, IMHO, the P47 is a more dangerous plane than the P-51 ... tons of ord and when it needs to get down and dirty ... FLAPS are a wonderfull thing ... Pony drivers would be pleasantly surprised flying a Jug.

ENY only effects those that won't jump and are myopic in what planes they will fly. Those that can fly a myriad of planes, and survive in them, ENY means squat.

Yes ENY is in place to TRY to balance numbers or offset the fighting power of the side that has the most numbers, but I also believe that it is a two-edged sword.

The other edge is that HT/HTC is also trying to get the myopic ones to try the "other" ride. I have seen many post from those who have "tried" the "other" ride and have relayed their ephiany.

Branch out people. ENY IS A GOOD THING !!!

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Zaz ...

You and other have a lot of good points.

La-5 instead of La-7 ... P47-D11 instead of P47-D40/N ... P38J/G instead of P38-L ... FM2 instead of SeaFire/F6F ... Ki-61 instead of Spit V/IX ... the list goes on. Overall, IMHO, the P47 is a more dangerous plane than the P-51 ... tons of ord and when it needs to get down and dirty ... FLAPS are a wonderfull thing ... Pony drivers would be pleasantly surprised flying a Jug.

ENY only effects those that won't jump and are myopic in what planes they will fly. Those that can fly a myriad of planes, and survive in them, ENY means squat.

Yes ENY is in place to TRY to balance numbers or offset the fighting power of the side that has the most numbers, but I also believe that it is a two-edged sword.

The other edge is that HT/HTC is also trying to get the myopic ones to try the "other" ride. I have seen many post from those who have "tried" the "other" ride and have relayed their ephiany.

Branch out people. ENY IS A GOOD THING !!!

Yup, Slappy, that's what it does. The problem is, if you check the performance of the people it's effecting, it makes little difference when and if they move. Their typical sheet is 25 kills in 100 hops with a 2% hit %. It wouldn't matter if they were flying a Sopwith Camel or an F15-Eagle, they aren't going to make any noticeable difference or impact beyond ammo sponge. They certainly aren't going to make any difference on a team that is already being overwhelmed numerically. The people that account for 80% of the MA kills are not motivated to move by the ENY limiter penalty. While they may have to fly a lower performance ride they do so within their numerical horde, negating any theoretical, potential balancing effect.

What the ENY limiter is really doing is giving the top pilots flying with the horde more baby seals to club. Sure the seals get to fly their SPits and Nikis, but the top pilots can club them just as efficiently in a La5 as they did in a La7.

Zazen