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« on: August 14, 2005, 01:10:36 AM »
FREEDOM:  Credos from the Road by Sonny Barger.

For those of you who dont know who he is, he's one of the original Hell's Angels.  Hell, he's THE original.  For some folks he's a criminal, to some he's an Outlaw (with all that has come to mean in American society), and to some he's an out and out Hero.  I've never met the man, but I know alot of guys back home that just about worship the ground he rides on.  So maybe my views were a bit prejudiced when I started reading.  

I like this guy.  Even if he's full of it and is just saying what he says to justify a life that scares the livin bejeezus outta most folks, he says the right things (to me anyway).  Lets just say he has one heck of a view of the American Dream.

:aok :aok

Two thumbs up!



I do remember the crying and handwringing a few years ago when his first book came out, an autobiography about his time back in the 60s and 70s with the Angels.  He was supposed to be at a place called Left Bank Books (one of those "Age of Aquarius" type places supposedly dedicated to non-violence and such) for a book signing.  Hehe.  As if that wasnt Irony embodied.
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2005, 09:26:10 AM »
He is full of it but the guy who took over for a while (Irish) was even worse.   You couldn't talk to the guy for 10 minutes without setting him off or tripping him up.

And... hells angles don't know anything at all about freedom... cops have less rules than they do...   monks have less rules than they do...  they have extremely structured lives and comply with every rule under pain of.... of anything up to death... they have the economic freedom of a poor commie and the dress code of military.   Catholic school boys have less of a dress code.

Their rules are for the peasants in the organization while the higher ups live under different rules.   Everything is enforced by fear.

That is not my idea of freedom.

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2005, 09:58:22 AM »
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He is full of it but the guy who took over for a while (Irish) was even worse.   You couldn't talk to the guy for 10 minutes without setting him off or tripping him up.

And... hells angles don't know anything at all about freedom... cops have less rules than they do...   monks have less rules than they do...  they have extremely structured lives and comply with every rule under pain of.... of anything up to death... they have the economic freedom of a poor commie and the dress code of military.   Catholic school boys have less of a dress code.

Their rules are for the peasants in the organization while the higher ups live under different rules.   Everything is enforced by fear.

That is not my idea of freedom.

lazs


And some people put up with it all why??  What's the big payoff for consciously signing yourself up for that?  

Don't tell me that they promise virgins when you die too???

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2005, 10:16:08 AM »
It is complex but... I grew up with about 80% of the people in the banshees... the pres was a good friend.  I rode as an independant for many years.   I think you will find that "independant" is not in the vocabulary of most of the clubbers... some were less than bright and some were pshycotic or damaged.   A few were incarcerated at a young age and unable to see their way to getting out of the system...

some were just gullible and, like me.. grew up around it.   some of those idolized the life or felt it would protect them.

All found the club life a haven.   Certain behaviors are tolerated.  bad life experiances earn respect.

some are total losers and misfits or natural leaders... of these... about 90% ended up dead... there was only room for so many of these types.   Modern gangs seem to parallel somewhat but on a grander scale and from a grander pool...

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2005, 12:27:22 PM »
Thanks for the insight.  As I said, I never met the guy.  Alton was and is a pretty heavily travelled hub for them in the St Louis area, and several trickled down through the Illinois side of the river, and I spent alot of my late teenage years through early 30s surrounded by these guys.  Good guys too, although you had to look to find it sometimes.  I think you said it best "some were less than bright and some were pshycotic or damaged. A few were incarcerated at a young age and unable to see their way to getting out of the system."  That pretty much describes them.  Still, those guys were like an extended family for me when it seemed like nothing I could do would go right.  They never asked anything of me (well, except for "another beer" lol) and I never asked anything from them.  There was always someone around though if you needed a place to stay, or someone to work on something, whatever.  My mom always did tell me I had strange taste in friends.

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2005, 01:10:59 PM »
Laz it sounds like the book "animal farm" to me.

"all animals are created equal, some are more equal than others"

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2005, 09:06:26 AM »
If you were friends with them then I would say that you were lucky to have survived.   either in a finacial way or a freedom way or in a very real way.    To every club I have known... civilians were to be used and their lives were even less important than... well... than their own lives... if that is possible.  They are like carnies or gypsies in that respect... they will use yu for anything they can and drain every las buck and not lift a finger to prevent your death or destruction unless it is to their benifiet..  they would also kill you in a heartbeat if it was of any benifiet to them.

I do not believe that they know what the word friend means ... especialy when applied to non clubbers.   They don't (didn't) even use the word "friend"... it was "bro"   This was short for "brother" and their interpretation of "brother' was a biblical one.... using cane and able as the model.

but... maybe I am wrong... things coulda changed in the last 25 years or so.

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2005, 12:38:12 PM »
Maybe the hardcore guys out there in Cali are different.  These guys are were rough, dont get me wrong.  Still are, although most of them are landlords and sheet metal workers and construction and the occaisonal bike shop owner nowadays.  I'm sure in their younger days they were as bad as anything I'd never want to come across.  By the time I was 19 and I met them though, they must have been mellowing out becuase about the worst I ever saw was an occasional fist fight.  Sure they collect things a little ........... different than the average individual.  Switchblades and street signs, I know one guy that has a phone booth from a bar he liked, and the juke box down in his basement (his "den").  His old bike is stuck in a corner of the garage and parts from 3 or 4 others are scattered around in the basement.  Every one of em drink like a fish.  

I still wouldnt trade any one of the old alkys for anything else.

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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2005, 08:57:20 AM »
star... I am not sure what you mean.  I have seen some of the "bikers" on the chopper shows... I even knew old arlen "ness it up" back in the day.  Admittedly... He sure had the last laugh on us

They are not anything like hells angels or banshees or vagos or anything I recall.  

I can't imagine a bunch of fun loving non fascist, freedom loving good guy bikers..

Like I said tho... quarter century... maybe things have changed and they are pulling their minions from a different pool.   I do see a lot of grey hair.

myself... I don't want anything to do with any of em.

lazs