Author Topic: Jet Bursts Into Flames on Landing in Toronto (Read 1037 times)

Toad · « **Reply #30 on:** August 03, 2005, 02:28:48 PM »

Well, if the pilot had a valid windshear alert and he complied with tower instructions, two things should have happened. The pilot should have been issued a violation and the tower controller should have been issued a violation.

You can't ignore a windshear alert; it's a mandatory go-around.

Aviation regulations aside, any pilot that allows a tower controller fly his airplane should be fired. IMO. 'Nuff said.

Dinger · « **Reply #31 on:** August 03, 2005, 02:43:45 PM »

Proper response:

XXXX IS going around. YYYY Tower IS replacing the controller on duty.

Torque · « **Reply #32 on:** August 03, 2005, 02:44:23 PM »

i live about 15 mins south of the airport. during that time of day the weather here was very severe, large down bursts and acorn sized hail.

have some 60' maples in the backyard they were blowing around like blades of grass.

Toad · « **Reply #33 on:** August 03, 2005, 02:58:15 PM »

It doesn't pay to make early guesses. That said, I'm thinking weather is going to be of MAJOR interest when the investigators begin. I'm also thinking I wouldn't want to be either one of the crewmembers trying to explain this one to the investigators UNLESS there's an extenuating factor like a system failure of some kind.

Chairboy · « **Reply #34 on:** August 03, 2005, 03:15:13 PM »

I'd definately like to hear more about the lightning speculation. If there was a strike on short final, and if it knocked out some of the fly by wire controls, how long is the reset cycle before stuff comes back? Or are there manual reset steps that need to be taken?

FuBaR · « **Reply #35 on:** August 03, 2005, 08:36:29 PM »

Shouldnt there be cameras pointed at runway? Hell with all the terrorism issues Id place a camera at every possible place that has people enter and leave. I havent been able to find any recordings of the landing though, or how they escaped with minor injuries when in only a short ammount of time the plane became an inferno, or even how the pilot may have saved 300+ lives. If anyone knows more about security cameras in areas like this please let me know.

SirLoin · « **Reply #36 on:** August 03, 2005, 08:38:51 PM »

What is most curious is that all the lights went out moments before it touched down.

loser · « **Reply #37 on:** August 03, 2005, 09:32:18 PM »

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Originally posted by FuBaR
Shouldnt there be cameras pointed at runway? Hell with all the terrorism issues Id place a camera at every possible place that has people enter and leave. I havent been able to find any recordings of the landing though, or how they escaped with minor injuries when in only a short ammount of time the plane became an inferno, or even how the pilot may have saved 300+ lives. If anyone knows more about security cameras in areas like this please let me know.

That was my job man. I cant get into specifics, but we watched EVERY movement. Taped every movement. And all i can say about security cameras is.....200 feet, your passport...we saw your gray hair

FuBaR · « **Reply #38 on:** August 03, 2005, 10:24:30 PM »

thank you very much, The thought was buggin the hell out of me, I couldnt let myself believe there are no cams, but just supprised they havent shown any footage. You think they keepin it quite till they have more answers?

loser · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2005, 07:49:02 AM »

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Originally posted by FuBaR
thank you very much, The thought was buggin the hell out of me, I couldnt let myself believe there are no cams, but just supprised they havent shown any footage. You think they keepin it quite till they have more answers?

All footage i imagine is property of Pearson Airport Authority. Prolly wont be released

Toad · « **Reply #40 on:** August 15, 2005, 05:04:30 PM »

I think these two pilots will be looking for new employment.

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On Sunday, he said the jet landed about 1,200 metres into the 2,700-metre runway before it overshot and slammed into a wooded ravine in a crash that injured 43 people.

Should have been down no later than 900 metres from the threshold. Coupled with the decision to approach and land in those weather conditions, I think this will get them fired.

Tough way to end a career.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #41 on:** August 15, 2005, 05:11:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
I think these two pilots will be looking for new employment.

Should have been down no later than 900 metres from the threshold. Coupled with the decision to approach and land in those weather conditions, I think this will get them fired.

Tough way to end a career.

I can remember a United flight on a DC-10 at SEA where the pilot had just enough room (in heavy fog) to make the very last taxi way off the runway, at about 40 mph, and everyone was leaned waaaaaay over in their seats...scared the crap outta everyone...the alternative dropped us down 100 feet into a golf course. (North end of Seatac)