Author Topic: Isreali pullout (Read 2045 times)

Sixpence · « **Reply #60 on:** August 19, 2005, 03:00:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
they won that land fair and square on the battlefield. They are using "security concernes" as an excuse to apease the palistinians.

It's pretty sad if you ask me.

If you use that logic you could say Iraq won Kuwait fair and square

straffo · « **Reply #61 on:** August 19, 2005, 04:54:50 AM »

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Originally posted by bozon
straffo, this is a perfect example of taking a quote out of context and twisting the meaning around.

Nadav Shragai (who writes for Haaretz daily news paper, considered a left wing paper) actually says that Israel should NOT occupy these lands even if they think they have a right to it over the right of other peoples.

I plead not guilty , I had no other context than what you have seen in Nashwan post.

I was surprised to read this comming from a newspaper like Haaretz ,I was just reacting to the sentence disregarding the context I didn't had.

Fishu · « **Reply #62 on:** August 19, 2005, 05:33:46 AM »

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Originally posted by bozon
Having the rights is a principal, excersizing it is a matter of practicality. What Israel is realizing is that it is actually in its best interest NOT to claim what they think they have the right to.

Yes, the outside pressure usually makes people think twice.
Without the outside pressure they would have found it to be in their best interest to grab the land.
Fortunately Israel isn't big enough country to do it alone, like the germans did over 60 years back, until they began chewing on something too big to fit in their mouth.

The irony though, israeli civilians murdering palestinians like true terrorists, while they would've got well paid to leave their homes, unlike the palestinian civilians.
Someones already going berserk and they haven't even seen the slightest of what palestinians have, and they wonder why some of them are terrorizing them?

weasel4 · « **Reply #63 on:** August 19, 2005, 05:43:08 AM »

I think they should have expanded rather than pulled out. The PLO has been a thorn on the side of freedom from the start.

Whats next, Terran?

I am confident that the other Middle East nations will view this as a sign of weakness, so once again, because of a few liberals we have jeprodized the very freedom we have struggled to achieve.

"Pray for War"

Skydancer · « **Reply #64 on:** August 19, 2005, 05:53:10 AM »

" The side of freedom" ??? With respect What are you on about? Whose freedom? The palistinians obviously wouldn't agree that they were a thorn in the side of freedom would they? Your freedom? How are Palistinian Israeli conflicts affecting your freedom?honestly thats a bit of a nonsensical statement. I think we'd do well to listen to the two people in this thread who are posting about the region they live in. Its enlightening.

Fishu · « **Reply #65 on:** August 19, 2005, 05:57:03 AM »

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Originally posted by weasel4
I am confident that the other Middle East nations will view this as a sign of weakness, so once again, because of a few liberals we have jeprodized the very freedom we have struggled to achieve.

The next time it won't be just a little land grabbing, but a bigger one and nobody is going to give a crap to what israelis does with the land

Call it as an investment for the future - nobody can say they weren't trying.

weasel4 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 19, 2005, 06:08:51 AM »

OK Sky...... I give you a 1.5 because all of your spelling was correct. I base my "Side of freedom" statement on recent activities occuring in this region. As far as "There region" OK, if it's there region then why do "I" have to provide support, logistics, Economic Aid, Military Equipment etc, etc, etc.

I was there in 1983. Were you? Did you walk the post? Did you help clean the mess from some "Palestine who Blew himself up" after being paid?

Lets face it.....Isreal is a common enemy to many nations. America is the driving force behind much of this pullout. We say jump, they say how high. Don't get your panties in a wad over it. Just my opinion. Remember...I've seen it, protected it and will still support it. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE PULLED OUT

Lets see, the last time I heard there have been NO Israelis blowing themselves up for AL?who:aok

Fishu · « **Reply #67 on:** August 19, 2005, 06:43:35 AM »

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Originally posted by weasel4
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I was there in 1983. Were you? Did you walk the post? Did you help clean the mess from some "Palestine who Blew himself up" after being paid?

Did you ever wonder his motives?
Did you ever wonder whats the reason behind it all?

It is easy to draw conclusions by what you see, if you don't think why that all happened.
Drawing conclusions by what you see has never been a winning tactic in the drive for peace - it's been the winning tactic in the drive for war.

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Lets see, the last time I heard there have been NO Israelis blowing themselves up for AL?who:aok

Last time I heard, an israeli civilian murdered 3 palestinians.
I guess the latest news haven't yet reached you, or you just haven't paid attention.

weasel4 · « **Reply #68 on:** August 19, 2005, 06:56:06 AM »

In most cases as far as I can deterimine their motive is to have there picture on CNN. As well as have there family recieve $20.00 American dollars.

Maybe they should look at expansion into other mid eastern nations. With a little American know how we could have free gas Wednesdays.

"How much for the little girl"

Pray for war

VOR · « **Reply #69 on:** August 19, 2005, 08:09:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Did you ever wonder his motives?
Did you ever wonder whats the reason behind it all?

I'm not the least bit interested in someone's problems when they address them with high-explosives against people trying to ride to work on a bus or trying to shop in a market. At that point they become vermin, not champions of their cause.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #70 on:** August 19, 2005, 08:19:19 AM »

Curious as to something.

Instead of the army forcing these people out of the territories.

Why not make them the offer of paying them to leave just as they are doing now.
But give them the option to stay. But with the understanding that if they stay. They are on their own and do so at their own peril.

Question #2
Probably should have its own post but

I know its been mentioned before
At the current birth rate it s estimated the Israeli Palestinians will outnumber Jewish Israelis within the next 20-30 years.

What does Israel do when the Palestinians reach the kind of numbers where they can demand the right to one man one vote?

Kinda puts them on the horns of a dilemma
Do deny that would essentially alienate them from every democratic nation in the world. Including the US where it can easily be predicted that public support would drop like a stone as Israel would then not be seen as a free nation but an oppressive one.

But to give it would mean the end of a solely Jewish State.

What do they do?

The only answer I can see is to do as it says in Genesis and "Be Fruitful and multiply" and outbreed them and/or call out to the world for all Jews to come home.

Then eventually they would be faced witht he problem of space and/or resources. Eventually running out of space Israel would have to do what every nation does when faced with that problem. Expand. Then Israel would be seen as an expansionist aggressor.

Looks like a no win situation to me.

so what do they do?

weasel4 · « **Reply #71 on:** August 19, 2005, 08:28:17 AM »

Drediock..............What the heck are you talking about

Here is the solution....
Kill-em-all and let ala sort 'em out:D

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #72 on:** August 19, 2005, 08:28:59 AM »

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Originally posted by VOR
I'm not the least bit interested in someone's problems when they address them with high-explosives against people trying to ride to work on a bus or trying to shop in a market. At that point they become vermin, not champions of their cause.

I would agree. But is it really the best solution to shoot a rocket into a building where the next room over there is a mother who is guilty of nothing more then feeding her child is?

While I have zero sympathy for suicide bombers who target civilians (I can accept a military or government personel as legitimate targets)

I also have zero sympathy for some of the responces Isreal has retaliated with.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #73 on:** August 19, 2005, 08:31:21 AM »

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Originally posted by weasel4
Drediock..............What the heck are you talking about

Here is the solution....
Kill-em-all and let ala sort 'em out:D

Who? The Palastinians? The Israelies? Or both?

lazs2 · « **Reply #74 on:** August 19, 2005, 08:43:36 AM »

"If you use that logic you could say Iraq won Kuwait fair and square"

well... this may be putting too fine a point on it but.. I think if your country is invaded and then you have to occupy their land during the war to win it... then you are entitled to something.

Let's say kuwait had won the war but had to occupy some iraqi land to do it...

lazs