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Offline Sandman

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« on: August 17, 2005, 11:20:48 AM »
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/2/94436.shtml

Maybe it's just me, but I think the NRA is out of line.

I don't see it has being any different than HTC's position that we have no 1st Amendment right to free speech here on this BBS.


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Offline GtoRA2

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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2005, 11:27:57 AM »
I thought it was pretty common for companies to do this.


Prolly just way to get in the news by the NRA.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2005, 11:35:50 AM »
Seems to me it is a very wise move by the NRA to get their point across.
  I don`t see how it would be out of line.
A proposed boycott by the many NRA members is a sure fire way to get the point across.
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2005, 11:40:26 AM »
I probably phrased that incorrectly. While I agree that it is completely within the NRA's right to boycott Conoco because they disagree with the policy, I also don't see this as being a 2nd Amendment issue.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2005, 11:43:13 AM »
It's a private company. You dont like the rules dont work there. Same thing with the companies that fire people for smoking. You dont like it dont work there. That is whats great about america.

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2005, 11:46:44 AM »
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It's a private company. You dont like the rules dont work there. Same thing with the companies that fire people for smoking. You dont like it dont work there. That is whats great about america.


  Yea....that and the fact we have the freedom to voice opinions and challenge issues put forth by wannabe tyrants trying to rule our lives. :)
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2005, 11:50:19 AM »
The NRA is seeing the big picture. They feel that any law that outlaws firearms, their ownership, their transport, that it will open precedence to more restrictive laws where the end result is the ban of all firearms. Basically they feel it will lead to the demise of the Second Ammendment.

Kind of like the ACLU and its zeal in going after the seemingly littlest cases. They don't want to open the door to our civil rights being taken away.

Apples and oranges groups, but kind of how I see it.
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2005, 12:01:57 PM »
Since you asked nicely, I'll fire a quick short burst.

The policy forces employees who LEGALLY carry a firearm to leave it at home when they leave for work. Since most people do other things and go other places on the way to work or on the way from work, it prevents them from carrying a weapon they are legally allowed to carry, not just inside the gates at work, but everywhere they go while going to or from work.

And of course, it is the stated position of the NRA, and shared by a lot of people who may or may not be members of the NRA, that laws and policies like this only prevent those obedient to such laws and policies from carrying weapons. They do not prevent those who already made a decision NOT to obey such laws and policies from doing anything.

Regardless of the intent of the originator of this thread, it will surely turn into 'just another gun thread".
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2005, 12:07:36 PM »
LOL, we just need to wait for Beetle and Laz2 to show up.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2005, 12:12:50 PM »
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LOL, we just need to wait for Beetle and Laz2 to show up.


  Beet is probably still awaiting the chopper to lift his auto down from the elevated villa. :)
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2005, 01:00:42 PM »
I'm not sure what company regulations banning employees from having legal firearms in their cars in the parking lot does to keep anyone in the company safe. An angry employee will just drive home, retreive their tool of choice, come back, shoot/hack/slash/blow up the gate guards, then proceed to kill anyone they choose in the buildings. You gotta bet Al Queda is aware of how nul brained we in the west are to such things and like bending over for any butcher with a grudge while at work.

What I have not seen yet, or it's quickly setteled behind closed doors with a gag order, is the employees suing the corporation for disarming them and not being able to keep anyone alive when one determined person decides to kill everyone. Gag orders and money zips lips so efficiently in the U.S., and media knowledge of the actual settelment details.

Do any of you ever ask yourselves and your employer can you the company keep me alive if my co-worker suddenly decides to use the fire ax on me, or slip a pair of sissors between my ribs, or bash me over the head with a computer chair, or smuggle a firearm past the gate and shoot me? By the level of internet obnoxiousness some of our members communicate, I gotta wonder if they don't have co-workers with morbid fantasies.  

The real reason companies/corporations do this is at the demand of their insurance underwriters and lawyers. We the People don't count on the bottom line. It raises the insurance costs of doing business in any state that passes a protection of the right to keep firearms laws in your car, anywhere, anytime.

Insurance companies can afford the numbers of wrongful deaths their statistics say will happen each year if companies ban wheapons and follow insurer requirments on their properties. They don't want to get into the complicated mess of suits that can result from employees defending themselves or from employees with hoplophobia.

Bottom lines are not compatible with constitutional rights or the right to defend your life while on company property.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2005, 02:37:14 PM »
How this started was long time employees were fired for having legal firearms in their cars.   Not on the job.   They were never warned and the new policy was a whim... No one was told they couldn't have.

firearms are not drugs or even cigs... the former are illegal and the later... well... there is no law against you having em in your car and no company so far as I know prohibits this.

Firearms are legal and they are a constitutional right and forcing someone to disarm is going way beyond a companies rights.

A boycot is simply an NRA ploy to hurt the company financially into relenting just as the insurance scam was the anti gun scam to get the company to change their policy because of financial considerations.

Just a showdown to see who can hurt the company the worst financialy and get their way...

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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2005, 03:42:48 PM »
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Firearms are legal and they are a constitutional right and forcing someone to disarm is going way beyond a companies rights.


Well said!


Now I ask..... what if the employee has a second job as a volunteer sheriff's deputy, local part time law enforcement or armed guard and they are required to carry a duty weapon at all times? My neighbor is a Swat Team member for the local police dept. and is required to carry his m4a1 in his personal vehicle and a duty weapon on his person at all times. I say boycott the company.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2005, 03:49:55 PM by WindX »

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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2005, 05:44:57 PM »
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Firearms are legal and they are a constitutional right and forcing someone to disarm is going way beyond a companies rights.


Do you believe it within the rights of HTC to withold our right to free speech?
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2005, 07:01:37 PM »
This board is not a company we work at. Nor do we enter into the realm of property rights and self preservation.

HTC would be looked at as a private service provided at the expence of a private company to which you are a guest of the private company persuiant to it's rules of conduct while using it's private service.

If any of the rules or requirments for conduct on this board are not compatable with your sensabilities, stop visiting the board or readin its content.

Your hound can't hunt nor swim there sandman.
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.