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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2005, 11:46:48 AM »
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« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2005, 11:53:52 AM »
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« Reply #77 on: August 19, 2005, 11:58:03 AM »
I think the problem here is the 'beyond reasonable doubt' part.

I think I'm pretty reasonable, but I continue to doubt the merits of the case unless they are using criteria that has not been released publicly.

1. Owning guns != suspicious.
2. Evading unmarked cars that appear to be following you = completely normal.  We have crazies out there, didn't you know?
3. Saying that the noise bothered you != suspicious
and so on.

If they have a shell casing that matches, or if he failed a GSR after lying about using a gun, or if someone saw him do it, then THAT could be appropriate...   but the article is making a circumstantial case to convict him in the court of public opinion.  How can he get a fair trial?
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« Reply #78 on: August 19, 2005, 12:44:26 PM »
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I think the problem here is the 'beyond reasonable doubt' part.

I think I'm pretty reasonable, but I continue to doubt the merits of the case unless they are using criteria that has not been released publicly.

1. Owning guns != suspicious.
2. Evading unmarked cars that appear to be following you = completely normal.  We have crazies out there, didn't you know?
3. Saying that the noise bothered you != suspicious
and so on.

If they have a shell casing that matches, or if he failed a GSR after lying about using a gun, or if someone saw him do it, then THAT could be appropriate...   but the article is making a circumstantial case to convict him in the court of public opinion.  How can he get a fair trial?


Did you read the article that says the bullet fragments from the helicopter match the gun and ammo found at his house?
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« Reply #79 on: August 19, 2005, 12:54:07 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: August 19, 2005, 01:13:43 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: August 19, 2005, 01:15:44 PM »
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« Reply #82 on: August 19, 2005, 01:20:52 PM »
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The word on the range is my shot groups are tight enough to pass 'professional' scuitiny. But thanks for the observation, there's always room for improvement.
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« Reply #83 on: August 19, 2005, 05:35:47 PM »
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« Reply #84 on: August 19, 2005, 05:36:56 PM »
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« Reply #85 on: August 19, 2005, 06:16:46 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2005, 10:15:40 AM »
yep... I have stated that I don't know if the guy did it or not but based on what raider originaly said....

It was a smear tactic.. guns.. ewwwwww!!!!  speeding tickets... ewwwww!!!   a drag racing ticket? be still my heart!   an "assault rifle"??  making a 500 yard shot?  why even bring it up?   why... because these things are raiders boogey men objects..

and... as to the "bullet fragments matching the case found in his trash"   good luck on that one.... they can only match caliber... not a specific case... say it is a .30 caliber... that would match probly 40 different types of cases and maybe a billion caes out there.

If the guy did it then he is a criminal and should be prosecuted..  But not for owning guns or talking or speeding or evading unmarked cars.

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« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2005, 04:15:38 PM »
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Dang!

Hangtime, Maverick and the like you sure have the Drama Queen routine down pat...

Nice of you to defend with so much energy the high morals ground. He is innocent until proven guilty.

Ok. It doesn't forbid Raider to have an opinion though.

And I don't remember such an angry reaction from your part when your government put a lot of people in Gitmo without trial.

Oh yeah, they're not white, they're not vets and they're moslems. High morals probably don't apply to them.



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« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2005, 04:59:38 PM »
This thread has just gotten flat out nasty and with no discernable content outside of calling each other names or taking cheap shots.

I bet Frodo is laughing his butt off at you guys.  He caught you hook, line, and sinker.
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