God and us

[detch01]

originally posted by Godzillathe universe and all matter cannot be explained by science. Some people would rather believe that it all happened by chance rather than by intelligent design.

And the rest of us understand that the current level of our total knowledge of the universe is at the very best, incomplete. The base assumption in your statement is that because we don't yet know something means we never will. That is just sad.
If you choose to believe in ID and it helps you live your life, that's great. Just don't try to palm it off as "scientific fact" until you've got the proof that it is fact. An absence of evidence, contrary or otherwise, isn't proof of anything.
In a scientific sense ID is at best an interesting question.


asw

[Holden McGroin]

Maybe they didn't make the Camaro in '65 but they did make these:


According to Ralph Nader, they are proof of unintellegent design.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by AWMac

I wanna '65 Camero!!!! I wanna, I wanna!!!!

1965 Camaro prototype.
You are healed!

 

As far the subject........ I have never understood how anyone could walk outside, see the trees, water, hills, mountains, etc and believe it was all just a big accident.

[Godzilla]

Some believe that all of life and the universe just happened by chance, yet would never believe a 1965 camaro could exist without some intelligent design. Interesting.

That's what amazes me about people who refuse to be open to even the possibility that a higher intelligence created matter and the universe.

 To me, it's almost rediculous to beleive that everything that exists in our universe, which obeys laws and has order in every aspect, all just happened by chance.

And not only by chance, but to perfection and with order.

Maybe one day we will send a space probe to some distant planet and it will send back pictures of a skyscraper in the middle of nowhere.......having just appeared by chance.

[Holden McGroin]

Don't study Quantum Theory Godzilla...

Everything is chance.

"God does not play dice" -- Albert Einstein, in his initial unacceptance of the uncertainty principle.

"God does play dice with the universe.  All the evidence points to him being an inveterate gambler, who throws the dice on every possible occasion." -- Stephen Hawking

[AWMac]

Originally posted by Jackal1
1965 Camaro prototype.
You are healed!

 

Sweet Jackal1  Front end side looks like '69 Camero, rear end more like a '71.

One good thing about Camero's / Firebirds were that the quarter panels and doors were interchangable.

Smoked many Firebirds with my Camero's.

Light to Light, Night after Night!

Mac

[Skuzzy]

This is looking more and more like a troll.  If not, it is looking like it will get out of hand shortly.  Show some restraint folks.

Originally posted by Godzilla
Some believe that all of life and the universe just happened by chance, yet would never believe a 1965 camaro could exist without some intelligent design. Interesting.

You first mistake.  "the universe just happened by chance".  Regardless of your reasons/beliefs, we already know enough to know this is not true.
And who said a 65 Camaro would have been an intelligient design?  Troll mark one.

That's what amazes me about people who refuse to be open to even the possibility that a higher intelligence created matter and the universe.

If no one questioned anything we would still be in the dark ages.  People can choose to remain ignorant, or they can question everything.  You offer no proof of your claim and deride others for not agreeing with you.  Troll mark two.

To me, it's almost rediculous to beleive that everything that exists in our universe, which obeys laws and has order in every aspect, all just happened by chance.

You are clearly stating an opinion here.  No troll mark for this.

And not only by chance, but to perfection and with order.

The universe is, and has been, in complete chaos.  There is no perfection in it and order does not exist.  A small sample:  Our Moon is departing its orbit which will end life on this planet.  Not exactly perfect, and utterly chaotic.
Troll mark number three.

Maybe one day we will send a space probe to some distant planet and it will send back pictures of a skyscraper in the middle of nowhere.......having just appeared by chance.

Skyscrapers are made by man.  They have never appeared by chance.  Troll mark number four.

[Shane]

"not only is the universe stranger than we imagine , it is stranger than we can imagine." - Sir Arthur Eddington

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I'd believe it popped into place because someone was trying to run a scam.  Since they didnt make a Camaro until '67.

OUTSTANDING RESPONCE!:aok

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Science can't explain everything 100%....yet. Maybe never, maybe someday. Yet God's existence hasn't been proven to date.

Ironic how those that want 100% verifiable scientific proof of the beginning of the universe won't furnish any proof at all of God creating the universe, let alone proof of God's existence at all.

My mind is wide open, prove to me that God exists and you'll have this atheist changing sides real quick. I'm interested in the absolute truth.

That just gotcha kicked outta the 'Atheists Union'. Welcome to the AH Agnostics, Local 220; motto: 'If yah can't prove it, it's just an opinion'.

[lazs2]

nope... you couldn't buy a camaro till the 67 model year.

lazs

[AWMac]

INconceiveble...

[APDrone]

The problem, if you can call it that, is that there are many in the Christian/Jewish religions that feel that the Bible should be taken verbatim and that the Earth was created in exactly 7 days.. Ok, 6 days and a block party.

Seems to me that many folks .. or, rather, many large groups of folks, do not actually see the Bible for what it is.

The Bible is a guide on how to live, and where those ideas came from.

Here's a little something I wrote up for our pastor, maybe you'll get my meaning...


I can't help but picture God sitting down with man to teach him of where he came from.  For some reason, the atmosphere of Monty Python would seem to be appropriate:
 
God: Man?
 
Man:  Yes, my Lord?
 
God: Write this down.
 
Man:  Yes sir!
 
God: Be nice to one another.    
 
Man: Very good, sir.  And?
 
God:  And what?
 
Man:  Well, sir... it's all good to say for us to be nice to one another.. but.. where did we come from?
 
God:  I created you.
 
Man:  Oh.. good, that's good.  From what?
 
God:  From the earth.
 
Man:  Oh.. good! Um.. now.. where did the earth come from?
 
God:  What?
 
Man:  The earth.  Where did the ground you made us from, come from?
 
God:  What difference does it make?  Just be nice to each other.
 
Man:  I understand that,  sir.. but you know that people will want to know the answer.
 
God:  Where you came from means nothing.  Where the earth and sky came from means nothing.  Where the stars and galaxies came from mean nothing.  Be nice to each other.
 
Man:  Yes, yes, I've got the 'be nice to each other' part.  But, what did you make us from? Where did this earth come from?
 
God:  I created it, too. But that means nothing!  Be nice to each other!
 
Man:  You created it too? Good! When?
 
God: What?
 
Man:  No sir. When?
 
God: When what?
 
Man:  When did you create earth?
 
God: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?? Be nice to each other.
 
Man: People are going to want to know, you know.  Oh.. and what's a 'galaxy'.?
 
God: Ok, ok.  Look, a long time ago I put all the mass in the universe..
 
Man:  'Universe?'
 
God: and.. ahem.. the Universe is everything. All the space around you.
 
Man: 'Space?'
 
God:  um.. space is absence of matter.. all the black stuff you see at night.
 
Man: 'matter'?
 
God:  Matter..yes, mass. Molecules and atoms and things.
 
Man: Molecule? Atom? mass?
 
God.. um..er.. sigh.  Ok.. here's what happened.
 
Man:  Oh good!  The TRUTH..
 
God: It took me a whole week to create the heavens, sky, light, dark, good, evil and on the 7th day I watched football.
 
Man: 'football'?
 
God:  Oh good grief.  let's just call it 'Sabbath'.
 
.. and the rest is, sorta, history...

[megadud]

So is the question how did the universe start?

Honestly i don't really care how the universe started i am here. The whole GOD thing that he started it or the monkeys or whatever. It all depends on your beliefs. If you are one of those spiritual folks then yeah god made it. If you are a realist then monkeys evolved. Or the big bang or whatever. Either way it is the song that doesn't end. But it sure is fun argueINg about it. till we get skuzzified.

P.S. LMAO APDrone

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Hangtime
That just gotcha kicked outta the 'Atheists Union'. Welcome to the AH Agnostics, Local 220; motto: 'If yah can't prove it, it's just an opinion'.

Hangtime,
God does not exist for me. I'll die knowing that.
My response is to those that believe that God does exist.
Who am I to tell them that God doesn't exist for them?
Kind of like "Virginia, does Santa Clause exist?"
Agnostics beleive that there is a God (or the possibility there of), but has no direct influences on us.
Atheists believe that there is no God and therefore no divine intervention. No heaven or hell either.
I am an Atheist. Just say that I'm also respectful of other people's beliefs as well