Gun Rights Refresher Course

[Ripsnort]

Subject: GUN REFRESHER COURSE
 
  a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
  b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
  c. Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.
  d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
  e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
  f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
  g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
  h. If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
  i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
  j. The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.
  k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
  l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.
  m. 64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday.
  n. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.
  o. Know guns, Know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.
  p. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
  q. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.
  r. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
  s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.
  t. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.
  u. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
  v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
  w. Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more.
  x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
  y. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.
  z. "....a government by the people, for the people....."
 
 


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[NATEDOG]

AMEN BROTHER!

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[LJK Raubvogel]

Preach on!

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LuftJägerKorps

[StSanta]

Jayzus.

I can say the same and exchange gun with "biological weapon".

Or spoon.

<kicks Ripsnort   )

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StSanta, unarmed AND a citizen. Radical concept, but then again, I ain't a dumb idiotic gun toting evangelical capitalist opressor yank with triple standards and a conspiracy theory neatly stuck in my head to 'splain all the odd weirdo things   .

DIE allied opportunist!

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StSanta
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[TheWobble]

AWSOME POINT!

Ill add onother one for ya,
when a drunk driver kills someone, they dont arrest the company that made the car.

I carry a gun with me 100% of the time, either in my car or one me (unless in bank or other forbidden place) When me and my girlfriend move to austin, Im buying her a pistol aswell.

[RAM]

Today was John Lennon's death anniversary (sp?).

I only can guess that he would've sighed, and felt quite sad reading this...

Not that he is one of my models, and sure I dont share most of his beliefs-mostly,I guess,because my generation is a completely different one than his'- but I always admired his love for peace.

Arms serve for one purpose-killing people.

If no arms, no people killed by them---->more peace.

Hey I live in a country where,to have a firearm, you need a licence that you only get it after very SERIOUS investigation and mental health tests.

And I am sure that the streets of Spanish' cities are more secure than in USA. One only needs to take a look into the statistics to know that.

<covers himself>

Flame on  

[Dowding]

Just a list of glib sound bites - hardly a set of convincing arguments about how a gun actually benefits anyone (society or the individual).

 

a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

If I lived in a country where you needed a gun to get any respect or hold basic, common, civil rights (which I think is a definition of 'citizen'), I think I'd be booking myself on the next flight out of there.

[TheWobble]

i have herd of a real nice phenominon in countries which have outlawed citizens owning firearms It goes as follows.

You are stiing at home with your wife and child watching TV, its about 3pm or so on saturday.  Suddenly a couple of people come busing into your houseand uh ho they have guns...but guns are illegal right.hehe only if you follow the law.  So of course these folks know you have no way to protect yourself so they walk right into your house in the middle of they day and they dont care if your home or not.. your a nice free law abiding citizen who has no right to protect your self.  So you know, they rob ya and take all yer stuff, then they make you watch them rape your wife and kill your child before they kill you.  if ya only had yer pops shotgun or something you would have had at least fighting chance.  But then thats not right is it..guns are against the law so now you will die.

yea RAM i bet john lennon would be sad, i bet he would wish he would have had a gun.

Then point is that the people that really shouldent have guns will ALWAYS have them.  to outlaw guns is to simply tip the scales further in the direction of the criminals.  I thing the true advantage of having legal firearms for citizens is that when some amazinhunk is about to try to mug you he will think twice as the image of you sticking a 45 in his face flashes through his mind.

[RAM]

Following your argument, all european countries' streets should be little less than battlefields where criminals do what they want and there is a huge insecurity on the streets. And all of us would be scared of going unarmed to the streets.

You know what?. It isnt that way, and it isnt by far. Look at the statistics.

Heck, I have yet to find **one** guy in Spain who says that if he is unarmed on the streets of his home city at 3a.m. he feels migthy unsecure.

I have heard (read) that same argument dozens of times coming from american citizens...and if you wonder why, its easy to find the reason.

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[TheWobble]

I know some countries think that repressing its citizens into safty is the way to go. just because your safe in a cage doesent mean it sthe right place to be.

[TheWobble]

RAM this isnt about some other country, that may work fine in some countires, but not here.  i have been to spain once and i LOVED it, i also went to Italy and Venics smelt lika ass, my point is that every where there are different and needs different rules and standards. America need guns, Europiens dont need guns because ..not because there are not guns....possibley because all the criminal would-be types have mad cow disease.  

[LJK Raubvogel]

Oh yes, one need only look at soccer (football) matches in Europe to know that they are SO MUCH more civilized and non-violent than we are.  

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LJK_Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps

[StSanta]

Wobble, dowding has a good point.

Check our crime stats - they're way lower than what the US has. Our murder rate is also quite low compared to the US. Drive bys are virtually unheard of.

Our government i the third least corrupt in the world, with two other northern European countries beating us by a narrow margin.

We got our politicians close to the ground - our multiparty system with no stupid money being invested by special interests and grassroot movement ensures our security.

In short, we don't *need* guns to be citizens. That argument is just a silly emotional one that on the surface looks good, but has little underneath.

I can imagine that a gun adds a sense of power and security to one's life.

You wanna live in a country where you have to strap on to feel safe - fine by all means, do so. But please, don't *insult* the people living in nations with different philosophies, calling them subjects. You know, our royalty lost their powers a good while ago.

Most of our laws here are quite sensitive. We may not have a right to own a gun for no particular reason; it's regarded here as in just about every nation except the US as a public health issue. So is owning biological weapons for that matter. In other areas, there's far more leeway in terms of the law - you'd have to be a bigtime pot importer to go to jail for it. Just an example.

So, before you start calling non gun people subjects, do your research, you gun toting fanatic person with a murdeopus intent who needs a gun to replace a lost manhood  

Heheheh.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
 

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[Dowding]

Raubvogel - I've been going to football matches since I was 5 years old, including England internationals, and I've never once seen violent behaviour on the terraces (where people sit). I'm sure violence happens occasionally, but the situation now is far, far better than it used to be.

Go to certain pubs after games and it might be a little different, but then violence due to alcohol happens day in day out across the world.

Wobble - and how many times does the situation you describe happen in each European country, every year? Do you have any statistics to back up your argument?

StSanta also makes a good point. I was reading about the Danish governmental system, and it sounds very similar to our own. It also shows that socialism and a constitutional monarchy are not mutually exclusive (which is also the case here in the UK).

Queen's speeches are not even written by her anymore - they are written by the prevailing government at the time.

I personally consider myself a citizen in one of the strongest democracies in the world, with one of the best systems of election and representation.

But I'd like to see reform - one day we will have no monarchy, but I'd like us to have a president, not in the US style but in the German style. Can anyone (off the top of their heads not resorting to a web search) name the president of Germany? No? Well that's the way it should be; the president should should just exist to conduct inconsequential state activities (which all country's have to go through). The real power should and is in the hands of the Prime Minister.

BTW, I was thinking of the pervasion of guns in Hollywood films - how many have huge amounts of guns (in one form or another) present throughout the film? Is this a good thing?