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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2005, 01:21:16 AM »
the only thing that freaks me out is what will happen to my supply of lipitor.....lol

I have enough firepower to project my interests across the block at least, perhaps even as far as east main street.
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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2005, 08:41:44 AM »
you guys are making too big a deal of it... if I have any gun and amount of ammo I will be ok.... with a gun and a few rounds I can get a better gun and more ammo and from their.... the world is my shopping mall...

If one of my wives gets pregnant then her husband can deliver the thing.

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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2005, 01:37:32 PM »
"This isnt paranoia this is realism"

no, it isnt realism. the only thing that could come close to causing more than a temporary (less than 5 years to get back to some semblance of modern living) is good old nuclear holocaust...


"Im pretty sure that if the lights went out, without a realistic timeframe on returing.  "

for that to happen, the minimum that would have to happen is several miles worth of power lines would have to go down all across the country, at once. and all the power plants would simultaniously explode...even then within a couple years you could have new plants and lines set up within 2 years, until then its just putting up with rationing, martial law, and only very essential services provided by the hospitals...


"The world would be in a serious mess.  No fuel, no way to repair the lines, no repairmen to repair them after a few months. ."

no fuel? you have coal.

no way to repair them? bull****, you can set up temp. wooden towers to hold the lines (you have forests man.) you can import new lines from across the ponds

no repairman? even if they all happened to be in one spot at one time, and some psycho killed them all, again you can import some from across the ponds.


a much more likely survival scenario is the cliche plane/boat accident dumping say 100 people onto a uncharted island.
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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2005, 01:40:02 PM »
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2005, 03:49:14 PM »
Can Zombies swim? :(

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« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2005, 04:13:48 PM »
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Can Zombies swim? :(


Can swimming zombies dodge depth charges?
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« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2005, 06:08:52 PM »
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"This isnt paranoia this is realism"

no, it isnt realism. the only thing that could come close to causing more than a temporary (less than 5 years to get back to some semblance of modern living) is good old nuclear holocaust...


"Im pretty sure that if the lights went out, without a realistic timeframe on returing.  "

for that to happen, the minimum that would have to happen is several miles worth of power lines would have to go down all across the country, at once. and all the power plants would simultaniously explode...even then within a couple years you could have new plants and lines set up within 2 years, until then its just putting up with rationing, martial law, and only very essential services provided by the hospitals...


"The world would be in a serious mess.  No fuel, no way to repair the lines, no repairmen to repair them after a few months. ."

no fuel? you have coal.

no way to repair them? bull****, you can set up temp. wooden towers to hold the lines (you have forests man.) you can import new lines from across the ponds

no repairman? even if they all happened to be in one spot at one time, and some psycho killed them all, again you can import some from across the ponds.


a much more likely survival scenario is the cliche plane/boat accident dumping say 100 people onto a uncharted island.



Vorticon,

You really have no idea how fragile our system is. Seriously come to Florida after any major hurricane. See what you think of the impact it has on normal life.

Lets look at a realistic hypothetical scenario not involving nuclear holocost. Big in todays life is terrorism. Now suppose that terrorists got a nuke, where could they hurt us the most? a city? a major landmark?.....how about somewhere more easily attainable. The oilfields of kuwait? then destroy simultaneously as many fields in Saudia Arabia as possible.  With the U.S. the most dependant on oil in the world this would be a likely target.

Ok far fetched but surely possible. Now with the little oil coming in there would be a huge surge to the pumps. again hurricane experience tells us when this happens, WE RUN OUT OF GAS. Im talking within hours. The trucks on the road cant fill the stocks fast enough...

Remember what happend in the north east a few years back when the grid started to COLLAPSE . A single power station that went offline caused the largest blackout in decades. Now imangine hundreds going offline when the lack of fuel coming into our states runs out. Remember coal is supplied by trains, no fuel to run trains. Our system is not capable of supplying the country on hydroelectric and nuclear power alone.

When I say nobody to repair the lines, people will be in panic. and seriously the roads will be cluttered with cars that have no gas. No way for transportation of fuel and goods because of this. Life as you know it halts. Information would be scarce, emergency broadcast would be about all you would get and quickly start to distrust. The power crews will be worried about more than just elecricity, they will be worried about their families and lives. Remember they are starving also. This scenario would play out across the globe, there would be no repairmen to import in.

Chaos, panic, worsening fear....yeah you think not possible. I however think it is. If you wish to hide your head in the sand without a plan, thats OK by me.  All I am saying is it doesnt hurt to be prepaired. I dont walk around everyday waiting for something like this to happen. I just know that if it does I will survive, my family will survive and the USA will survive.

Remember that this is just a hypothetical scenario and worse case at that. You can poke holes in it all day long. But just dont underestimate/overestimate people. We are just all too unpredictable.
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« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2005, 09:46:32 PM »
I got plastic water bottles, 5000 rounds of .22 caliber long rifle hollow-points, 200 rounds of 6.5x55 Swedish rifle ammunition, 100 rounds of .260 caliber ammunition, 100 rounds of .280 Remington caliber ammunition, 100 rounds of .44 Special ammunition, Lee reloading press with 20 pounds of rifle powder of various types, Nosler partition and ballistic tip rifle bullets, two cases of #6 shot 16 gauge shotgun shells, all the guns required to get maximum use of the above ammunition horde, a butt-load of Foxfire books, knives galore, firewood just across my fence in the woods, fireplace, 100 canning jars, salt, lime, medical kit, tons of insulated cold-weather gear, two sons and a wife who all know how to shoot, two dogs, and a host of hand tools including double-bitted axe, a maul, and cross-cut saw (actually my father in law's.)

Do ya think I'm ready?

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« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2005, 05:43:27 AM »
Assuming we are talking about a global incident of a permanent nature, that is, society as we know it is finished and no one is coming to fix it, there are two essential 'items' on my survival checklist .
That being : my dog and a horse, prefferably two or three horses, but at least one....a couple more dogs couldnt hurt either.
Eyes, ears, nose and feet...all way better than mine, all very usefull in the given situation.
With those, a weapon (a knife or even a razorblade will do just fine for starters) ,  and the clothes on my back, I am confident I could adapt to any situation which arose, and provide myself with the essentials for basic survival...food, water, clothing and shelter.

In a kill or be killed situation, or fight or flee, the dog and horses are invaluable, the dog for early warning/detection/tracking/hunting and the horses for running away or running down and carrying things.

Food in Australia is almost a non existant problem, there are a few thousand sheep and a couple of hundred head of cattle for every one person here at the moment, kill off a few million of those incapable of surviving and the ratio grows even more.
Then theres a few billion kangaroos and wallabies, birds, lizards, fish and all sorts of edible plants, including millions of acres of food crops like wheat, corn, sugar cane and fruit trees.
Sheep and cattle are not hard to hunt, they arent very intelligent, and they taste pretty good.They allso provide everything you need to make clothes, tents, shoes, rope, string, spear/arrow heads, bow strings, water containers, fish hooks, needles, spoons, forks, hair combs...the list is allmost endless.
Bone, meat, sinew, leather and hair or wool, all in one neat package.
A stout stick is weapon enough to bag yourself a sheep.
With a horse and a dog, cattle are easy pickings too.

Surviving would be easy, the hard part would be deciding if/whom to trust and cooperate with, or wether to just stay mobile and hidden and simply ignore them or prey on them.
Trust/cooperation being by far the more difficult and more likely to fail option of the three to my mind.
Wether to ignore other people or prey on them (ie steal food,goods and the occasional 18 year old daughter, not eat) would depend entirely on the prevailing situation and the actions of those other people.


I think that the same scenario would be vastly differant in Australia than it would be in the US or Europe, mainly because there would be infinetly less people.
Theres only about 20 million here right now, and something like 96% of those people live in the urban centres.
Of those 20 million, I reckon a good 80 to 90 percent would be dead within a year or two, either from starvation, disease or civil war on an allmost tribal scale.
That would leave us with less than four or five million humans, who would no doubt still be concentrated around the decaying urban centres, or the surrounding farm and bushland.
The crops and livestock here, left unattended would multiply, or at the least continue to exist at something fairly close to their current numbers.
Wheat would seed and fall to the ground to grow again next year, fruit would do the same, cattle and sheep would easily adapt and survive.


Dealing with the basics of staying alive here on an ongoing basis would be easy, dealing with those few people who remained, and any society that they may have rebuilt or created would be the difficult and dangerous part.

I dont have a set plan, but I have the knowledge needed to keep myself alive long enough to make one each day as the situation unfolded.
I hope it turns out to be useless knowledge.
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« Reply #54 on: August 24, 2005, 08:21:57 AM »
I have a dozen guns and thousands of rounds of ammo but you won't even be able to tote all that stuff around with you.... I would stash it and take a handgun for concealment and a long gun for... long stuff..  If I needed anything else I would just take it.

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« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2005, 08:54:01 AM »
An even scarier catastrophe in our lifetime, possibly even apocalyptic in scope:

http://www.time.com/time/pacific/magazine/20010115/antibiotics.html
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« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2005, 09:03:12 AM »
It seems likely that continued overpopulation and crowding in cities will cause shortages and plague and war...

Those mentaly adapted to survive will.... they will survive with no tools to begin with and will most likely do it by taking from the weak who have prepared for survival.

I don't see this happening in my lifetime but don't fear it.

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« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2005, 10:35:09 AM »
I'd survive on a diet of overweight kids, why let all that stored up junk food go to waste. hehe.
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« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2005, 01:20:04 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Here is a more likely catastrophe to happen in our lifetime:
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/auto/epaper/editions/today/news_34606d11d5f6b1fe002d.html


Gas going to $8 or $10 is going to cause more of a catastrophe in the US than any natural disaster or terrorist attack.