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Offline Rino

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2005, 06:35:40 PM »
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They had no test for the Substance EPO in 1999. They do now and they tested his "sample" last year.


      How can you ban a substance you have no test for?  Also,
how long do these whiners hold blood samples, under who's
control?  I don't suppose it's at all possible that the samples
could have been contaminated during the lag?
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2005, 08:33:04 PM »
Thrawn, banned for sports perhaps but are you certain it's banned for theraputic reasons?

Rino, you aren't possibly suggesting that a countryman of one of the losers would possibly have sloppy sampling techniques and contaminate the sample are you?????  :p
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2005, 08:44:11 PM »
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How can you ban a substance you have no test for?  Also,
how long do these whiners hold blood samples, under who's
control?  I don't suppose it's at all possible that the samples
could have been contaminated during the lag?


What does it matter, they banned it as a performance enhancer and later were able to develop a test. Just because you get away with cheating (if he did it) doesnt mean they cant find out later and feel cheated.
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2005, 09:08:30 PM »
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Damn, why not because their muscles are too strong and they are healthier then others?...
 


While the russians were famous of the doping research institutions, run for decades and even after the collapse of the CCCP.
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2005, 09:46:02 PM »
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Thrawn, banned for sports perhaps but are you certain it's banned for theraputic reasons?


Not at all, but if you are in a sport and have to take a banned substance for medical reasons, then you should recuse yourself from participating.  Anything else is dishonourable and unsportsmanlike.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2005, 09:56:04 PM »
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What does it matter, they banned it as a performance enhancer and later were able to develop a test. Just because you get away with cheating (if he did it) doesnt mean they cant find out later and feel cheated.


     So if you did illegal nacrotics as a child and someone drags out
your blood sample 30 years later, should you still be prosecuted?
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2005, 11:44:29 PM »
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Who said he is cured? Effects of chemo do not just go away right after you stop getting the treatment. There is also the probability that the cancer will resurface and medication can and frequently is a permanent situation. The wife is still on several cancer meds and the last surgery / chemo / radiation was about 5 years ago.

BTW why is this guy bringing up something from 6 years ago.


But in this case how do you explain Lance pretend to be clean and having never used EPO ?


may I rememeber he should like the others not use any performance enhancer  ?
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2005, 11:48:17 PM »
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So if you did illegal nacrotics as a child and someone drags out
your blood sample 30 years later, should you still be prosecuted?


Depend of your legal system.
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2005, 12:10:13 AM »
He's an American. And he won their precious silly little bicycle race.
Therein lies the real problem.

Oh that and hes an American.

did I mention he was American?
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2005, 01:07:12 AM »
This has come up every other year..  


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It doesn't surprise me at all that they have samples. Clearly they've tested all of my samples since then to the highest degree. But when I gave those samples," he said, referring to 1999, "there was not EPO in those samples. I guarantee that." --Lance


If they had any real proof, something would have been done about it long ago.....
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2005, 02:10:08 AM »
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This has come up every other year..  


 

If they had any real proof, something would have been done about it long ago.....


not as the method is quite new.


DREDIOCK I'm not the one showing a stupid nationalims here.
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2005, 04:20:56 AM »
Straffo you should tell them to rename it the Tour de Freedom
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2005, 04:55:12 AM »
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What because an American has won it so many times they will do anything to bring him down. Why don't they just face it that he was the best and the best won, simple as that. The lab says it can't match names to the test yet  



Give up and face it that you lost. Don't worry he won't be there next year so you all may have a chance again. :D


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Sounds like they have matched names to the tests.
What if Armstrong did cheat?
Would that be okay?
Do we Americans have to be held to the same standards as anyone else?

Now having said that, this is far from proof that he did cheat.
I'm damn proud of his accomplishments.
The fact he overcame cancer and achieved the success he has is just astounding.
I'd be saying the same if Armstrong was a Frenchman , German, Spaniard, etc.
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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2005, 07:23:50 AM »
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They had no test for the Substance EPO in 1999. They do now and they tested his "sample" last year.


It was a "B" sample wasn't it?
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2005, 08:01:00 AM »
Tempest in a teacup. There's nothing procedurally they can do. Anyway, bicycling is one of those nasty sports where doping is rampant and testing is extreme. And, sure Boroda, they do bust people for excess hemoglobin. Why else do you think bicycle stars and others give blood when not racing, freeze it, and then load up to the legal limit before a race.

Yeah, it's illegal, and I"m not saying anyone does it; but everyone does.
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