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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2005, 08:22:03 AM »
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not as the method is quite new.


DREDIOCK I'm not the one showing a stupid nationalims here.


Not saying "you" specifically are.

But lets face it.  Thats what the real problem is.
The claims are just a way to try to justify it
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2005, 08:46:56 AM »
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not as the method is quite new.


DREDIOCK I'm not the one showing a stupid nationalims here.



Then what about the other samples over the years?  Why just mention a sample back in 1999?  I bet they tested all his samples with this new method, and they didn't come up with squat, otherwise they would be trumpting that as well....  

plus don't forget...

Officials at the suburban Paris laboratory that processed his samples violated the World Anti-Doping Agency code by releasing the results to the newspaper.
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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2005, 08:49:21 AM »
When Indurain won (was it 4) tours in a row, they were on to him to see if he had used illegal substances.

I think it has to do with the prestige of the Tour de France. If the best of the best is consuming EPO, it devaluates the race.

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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2005, 08:52:02 AM »
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This has come up every other year..  


 

If they had any real proof, something would have been done about it long ago.....


Exactly.  They wait until he leaves, then talk behind his back.
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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2005, 09:31:39 AM »
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Then what about the other samples over the years?  Why just mention a sample back in 1999?  I bet they tested all his samples with this new method, and they didn't come up with squat, otherwise they would be trumpting that as well....  


Because before 99 EPO was  NOT searched nor detected.
Any post 99 sample would have already been tested by a efficient method.

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Officials at the suburban Paris laboratory that processed his samples violated the World Anti-Doping Agency code by releasing the results to the newspaper. [/B]


Since when the " World Anti-Doping Agency" make the law in my country ?
And don't say they have broke a US law ,they like me sit on American law like you sit on French laws.
@FUNKED : it's not a case of talking in the back of LA but more a "don't talk before the end of TdF to not piss Jean-Marie Leblanc" :)


I'm too lazy to translate now (I'll do later) the LNDD said :

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"bien mené des travaux de recherche impliquant l'analyse EPO rétrospective des échantillons du Tour de France 1998 et 1999 en collaboration avec l'Agence mondiale antidopage (AMA), qu'il a accepté de transmettre toutes les informations anonymées (sic) dont il disposait à cette autorité sous réserve d'exclure leur utilisation dans une procédure disciplinaire".
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« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2005, 10:27:55 AM »
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So if you did illegal nacrotics as a child and someone drags out
your blood sample 30 years later, should you still be prosecuted?


That is not the same thing. I am not competing in World-Class Sporting Events.

Now if you want to say I used steroids when I was a child and won the little league world series. And 5 years later they tested me, we might have a good analogy. And yes, They would have a legitamite gripe against my steroid use.
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« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2005, 10:29:07 AM »
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Straffo you should tell them to rename it the Tour de Freedom


LOL that is hilarious. :lol :lol :lol
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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2005, 10:30:37 AM »
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It was a "B" sample wasn't it?


I have no idea. Just what I read in that article that says they could now test for EPO and went back and retested his samples. The tests alledgely came up positive. Not really much else to say until there is confirmation, so far just a reporter making the announcement, no medical doctors have confirmed. AFAIK
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« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2005, 01:45:23 PM »
Unknown if anyone else saw it but CNN just had a blurb on it. They stated that the samples were all anonomous and not capable of being traced, why I don't know. Now in spite of lack of identification with the samples one has somehow been traced to Lance. HHHmmmm convenient.
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« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2005, 01:50:34 PM »
If there was no doubt he cheated, and the drugs werent related to his medical condition, then Id say no he shouldnt be heralded. However, if they are just guessing, and tarnishing him out of pure hatred, then they should be ashamed of themselves.
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« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2005, 02:11:28 PM »
First off what’s with Frances fascination with keep lances pee for 6 years?

L'Equipe, which is owned by the same parent company that also organises the Tour de France.

Seconded the group that runs the race owns the newspaper, and has had a hard on about “getting” Lance.

Who’s to say the sample was not tampered with.

If I were lance I’d I turn it around on them and say

" You messed with the sample now prove you didn’t."
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« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2005, 02:12:10 PM »
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Unknown if anyone else saw it but CNN just had a blurb on it. They stated that the samples were all anonomous and not capable of being traced, why I don't know. Now in spite of lack of identification with the samples one has somehow been traced to Lance. HHHmmmm convenient.


Had you used a online translator you will already know  :

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"bien mené des travaux de recherche impliquant l'analyse EPO rétrospective des échantillons du Tour de France 1998 et 1999 en collaboration avec l'Agence mondiale antidopage (AMA), qu'il a accepté de transmettre toutes les informations anonymées (sic) dont il disposait à cette autorité sous réserve d'exclure leur utilisation dans une procédure disciplinaire".
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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2005, 02:14:24 PM »
EPO= epogen ,a "blood building" agent given to people with a abnormaly low Hemoglobin and/or Hematocrit levels as a result of chemo,anemia,ect.However EPO is produced naturally in the body but not in sufficient quantities for peolpe who have taken or are currently taking  chemo,due in part to the general distruction of all blodd cells not just "cancer cells"And of course there are other resons someone would take EPO besides cancer ,kidney disease,AIDES,surgery,ect.

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« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2005, 02:46:06 PM »
Actually EPO stands for erythropoietin. Epogen is the brand name of epoetin alfa, which is an artifical form of erythpoietin. There are other brands, such as Procrit.

The test is very specific for the artifical products  -- AFAIK, there has never been a documented false positive when the test was conducted appropriately.
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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2005, 03:06:27 PM »
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Since when the " World Anti-Doping Agency" make the law in my country ?


As soon as France put its "John Hancock" on the agreement.

Governments who have signed the Declaration

Article 14 is clear that there must be an administrative review before making public anoucements about an accused athelete...  

If this administrative review did not happen it's a violation...
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